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Old 05-21-2008, 02:34 AM    (permalink
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Saints DE Charles Grant has been indicted on a charge of involuntary manslaughter stemming from a February altercation at a nightclub.
Grant was stabbed in the neck during a fracas outside a nightclub, but police originally said that he was not involved and had no connection to a pregnant woman who was shot and killed. That must have changed. Grant was one of six men charged in the fight that led to the murder, and another man was charged with felony murder and feticide. Feticide is the killing of a fetus. May. 20 - 9:55 pm et
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You know, this probablly just points back to my being a terrible person, but the first thing that sprang to my mind was a scene from Anchorman.

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Please don't be true, but if it is and he actually killed her he deserves to rot in jail...
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Well, he's being charged with involuntary manslaughter, and someone else is being charged with murder. So odds are it went something like this. Grant and co start a fight, things escalate, Grant gets stabbed, and Grant's friend pulls the piece and fires. It was probably an accident, in so far as Grant's friend was probablly trying to shoot someone else.
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In the end, they'll just ask Grant to finger his friend that shot the woman, and he'll get a slap on the wrist and probation.
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Well, he's being charged with involuntary manslaughter, and someone else is being charged with murder. So odds are it went something like this. Grant and co start a fight, things escalate, Grant gets stabbed, and Grant's friend pulls the piece and fires. It was probably an accident, in so far as Grant's friend was probablly trying to shoot someone else.
Why is he picking fights with dudes carrying knives and guns anway?
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This certainly doesn't bode very well for the Saints. I guess we just wait for more information to surface and then see what happens from there.
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My assumption is that if Grant and the other men involved in this incident had never gotten into a fight to begin with, then things would have never escalated and this poor woman and her unborn child would have never lost their lives. Technically, Grant was not the murder as he wasn't the one who pulled the trigger. But, he bears responsibility for being a part of the cause for the gun being fired in the first place.

Of course, if Grant was defending himself the whole time, then I'd say he shouldn't be punished. But if he helped instigate the fight, he must face the consequences of his actions.
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I hope for his sake and the Saints he's found innocent. Regardless I think the charge should be womanslaughter, since a woman died.
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Odell Thurman was banned for 2 years for a DUI. His career is now effectively over.

If Roger Goodell is consistent he will chuck him out of the NFL immediately.

Of course I don't expect that to happen.

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Odell Thurman was banned for 2 years for a DUI. His career is now effectively over.

If Roger Goodell is consistent he will chuck him out of the NFL immediately.

Of course I don't expect that to happen.
Thurman's issues are completely different. And it isn't like he only had one DUI that lead to his suspension, it was a whole load of incidents.

This issue will not be treated the same way as a DUI or other substance abuse. It is a much more delicate issue as the NFL does not hold much power in investigating the event. Once the police make a decision, then I think we should probably here from Goodell.
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If he's found guilty he's career in the NFL is obviously over. Is he cleared of the chargers however, I don't expect to see any sanctions from the league.
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If he's found guilty he's career in the NFL is obviously over. Is he cleared of the chargers however, I don't expect to see any sanctions from the league.
all depends on how dirty it gets. But if he's found innocent I can't imagine any sanctions.
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If he's found guilty he's career in the NFL is obviously over. Is he cleared of the chargers however, I don't expect to see any sanctions from the league.
That is my opinion on the issue as well. Although even if Grant is proven innocent, I would expect a little "NFL players shouldn't get involved in this kind of behaviour etc etc" rant from Goodell.
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If he's found guilty he's career in the NFL is obviously over. Is he cleared of the chargers however, I don't expect to see any sanctions from the league.
Hate to bring up Leonard Little but he's still playing right now and he actually did kill someone, and still didn't learn his lesson.



With that being said, this is not good news however you look at it...These NFL characters just cannot stay out of trouble.
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Hate to bring up Leonard Little but he's still playing right now and he actually did kill someone, and still didn't learn his lesson.



With that being said, this is not good news however you look at it...These NFL characters just cannot stay out of trouble.
So did Ray Lewis, but those guys didn't do their deeds while Goodell was the big cheese.
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Thurman's issues are completely different. And it isn't like he only had one DUI that lead to his suspension, it was a whole load of incidents.

This issue will not be treated the same way as a DUI or other substance abuse. It is a much more delicate issue as the NFL does not hold much power in investigating the event. Once the police make a decision, then I think we should probably here from Goodell.
Actually all Thurman had was two failed drug tests and a dui and he got 2 years. Somehow that is different to Jared Allen who had 3 duis and got 2 games. Pacman Jones was suspended before he was even charged with a crime. Now that he has been traded to Dallas I expect him to be reinstated even after pleading guilty to a terrible crime. Leonard Little killed someone and no one cares. Basically Goodell is a goose who has no idea what he is doing and reacts simply to what the media says.
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Actually all Thurman had was two failed drug tests and a dui and he got 2 years. Somehow that is different to Jared Allen who had 3 duis and got 2 games. Pacman Jones was suspended before he was even charged with a crime. Now that he has been traded to Dallas I expect him to be reinstated even after pleading guilty to a terrible crime. Leonard Little killed someone and no one cares. Basically Goodell is a goose who has no idea what he is doing and reacts simply to what the media says.
The failed drug tests were the problems which led to Thurmans' suspensions.
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Its like knocking down a building while still being built...still a crime! lol

He should get suspended just upon indictment like PacMan did. Leornard Little's incident occured under Tagliabue didnt it?
If there is one thing we need from a commish its consistancy which Goodell doesnt have.
A DUI and some skipped tests = 2 years
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Sounds like some inconsistancy to me.
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Why does anyone start a fight? Things like that happen, and usually don't escalate. This one did.
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