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In the wake of Matt Ryan's deal, a lot of people on here have been complaining about the amount rookies are getting paid (myself included.) so i thought this would be a good read for everyone here.

article 1:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...e=NFLHeadlines

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http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...kie-windfalls/

some choice statements for those of you who don't want to read the whole thing:

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“As a guy who has been in the league for 14 now going on 15 years and being around other veteran guys, for a young guy to get paid that kind of money and never steps foot on an NFL football field, it’s a little disheartening to think of,” Mawae said. “It makes it tough for a guy who’s proven himself to say ‘I want that kind of money’ when the owners, all they’re going to say is, ‘Well, you weren’t a first-round pick.’

“And I know there is sentiment around the league amongst the players like, ‘Let’s do something to control these salaries and control these signing bonuses’ and things like that, and I know that’s something that the owners are talking about and I’m sure that’s going to play in to this round of negotiations for this collective bargaining agreement.”
lets hope he leads a charge to boot that old fool Upshaw who might be doing more harm that good to the players in his union...

Kevin Mawae may now be one of my new favorite players.
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this is my favorite part of the PFT article, sums up my own thoughts on it pretty well too:

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Mawae had better tread carefully, or Gene Upshaw will break his neck. After all, Upshaw has insisted that the union will “never agree” to a rookie salary formula, offering up a series of nonsensical arguments based on specious logic.

Suddenly, Upshaw’s position is crumbling from within. And now that the president of the union has said his peace, we expect more players to follow suit. If Upshaw continues to resist, he’ll only be proving to his constituents that he’s completely out of touch with their desires.

As we’ve previously explained, there’s no reason for any player currently in the league to not want to reel in the amounts paid to the first ten or so players drafted each year. Even for the guys who previously received such a windfall, every dollar not paid to an unproven rookie is a dollar that’s available to pay to an established player.

Heck, even Matt Ryan would now vote to curb the practice, since he’s already gotten his huge pile of money for nothing.
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Agreed, hopefully Upshaw is gone soon and it certainly seems that things are heading in that direction.

IMO the lack of a rookie contract system helps 32 players and hurts every other NFL player, owner, and fan.
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Agreed, hopefully Upshaw is gone soon and it certainly seems that things are heading in that direction.

IMO the lack of a rookie contract system helps 32 players and hurts every other NFL player, owner, and fan.
i would say it only really helps the top 10 rookies, maybe even top 5. once you get past the early part of the first round, contracts start becoming more and more reasonable.

im just hoping that enough players start causing a ruckus like mawae and upshaw has no choice but to resign.

i think everyone with a brain can see that upshaw is just being pulled around on strings by the agents who benefit most from things like outrageous rookie deals.

and his logic on not using a pay scale for rookies is awful. i can't remember all of what he said now but the one that is most asinine imo is that veteran players can then use those rookie deals as bases for their own deals, BUT THAT DOESNT HAPPEN!

i wish i could find this article chris cooley wrote a little while back in his blog where he pointed out that most agents for veteran players who are trying to get new deals don't even use the top rookie deals because management wont buy it for a second.
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Upshaw is nothing but a meat puppet for agents, I honestly do not understand why this guy still has a job, he's the Matt Millen of the NFLPA.
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Upshaw is nothing but a meat puppet for agents, I honestly do not understand why this guy still has a job, he's the Matt Millen of the NFLPA.
the sad thing with that comparison is that he may be worse than millen since millen can only bring down 1 team....upshaw could bring down the whole league at the level of his incompetence
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the sad thing with that comparison is that he may be worse than millen since millen can only bring down 1 team....upshaw could bring down the whole league at the level of his incompetence
the incompetence that is allowed to exist in the NFL sometimes amazes me.
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They definitely need to take a look at what the NBA does and get a clue. It could get to the point where signing a high first round pick isn't even worth it for any team.
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I've always hated how unproven rookies get millions and millions before playing a down, they should work for there money. The Matt Ryan contract disgusts me this year like the Jamarcus Russel holdout situation disgusted me last year...
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the incompetence that is allowed to exist in the NFL sometimes amazes me.
i know right? lol.

ive seriously wondered a few times if i could do a better job that certain guys (millen).

i know it takes a good amount of knowledge and experience and all that but it still isnt exactly rocket science.

get me an assistant GM who is good with numbers and salary and i could at the very least....idk....draft somebody who can play or something. that alone rivals millen....

but on the upshaw front, i don't want to be taken as saying that the union is bad. i sat through all the history classes, i know the good that unions can bring about.

but the nflpa under upshaw is going nowhere fast and now, it challenges the very existence of the nfl if they get too stingy and wont let it be worked out. something i could see upshaw doing no matter how much it would hurt the players....
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They definitely need to take a look at what the NBA does and get a clue. It could get to the point where signing a high first round pick isn't even worth it for any team.
true. i was thinking yesterday after the ryan deal was announced if we may get to a point where the teams with top picks just forfeit their selection because it would be too much to pay a rookie 15%, 25%....who knows how much.....of your maximum salary cap.
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but on the upshaw front, i don't want to be taken as saying that the union is bad. i sat through all the history classes, i know the good that unions can bring about.
Well unions are always bad for owners and consumers, but they should at least be good for workers and Upshaw seems to be even screwing that up.
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Well unions are always bad for owners and consumers, but they should at least be good for workers and Upshaw seems to be even screwing that up.
thats what i meant, for the workers. even in this case where the workers are all very rich....

but hes still screwing up bigtime
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To be fair a huge amount of most rookie deals have a lot of incentives and almost unreachable triggers. So it's not like ryan is going to see all 72 million just like most top rookies don't see the maximum values on their deals, unless they're Larry Fitzgerald.
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i know right? lol.

ive seriously wondered a few times if i could do a better job that certain guys (millen).

i know it takes a good amount of knowledge and experience and all that but it still isnt exactly rocket science.

get me an assistant GM who is good with numbers and salary and i could at the very least....idk....draft somebody who can play or something. that alone rivals millen....

but on the upshaw front, i don't want to be taken as saying that the union is bad. i sat through all the history classes, i know the good that unions can bring about.

but the nflpa under upshaw is going nowhere fast and now, it challenges the very existence of the nfl if they get too stingy and wont let it be worked out. something i could see upshaw doing no matter how much it would hurt the players....
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I would be an improvement for at least 1 team that way
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A detroit fan, lol, needs to get all of the fans to demand he replace Matt Millen using the "I'm not Matt Millen" argument.

Although Isiah is still a Knicks employee so clearly incompetence isn't enough for you to get kicked of sports management.
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http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_9327805

John Lynch is in on it too now:

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“I’m with them on that,” Lynch said of the owners’ desire to reel in rookie pay. “I’d like to come up with an NBA system where you put a cap on the rookies. I can see the owners’ problem there. You look at JaMarcus Russell. He may turn out to be an awesome quarterback, but you’re investing $60 million right off the bat. It’s reached the point where everyone who picks in the top five wants to get the heck out of there. I would like to see that pool of money redistributed.”
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I've always thought that a "Rookie Salary Cap" or a pay scale like that should exist.

The guaranteed money in rookie contracts should be cut in fourth. Their contracts should have a lot of escalators, though. That way, a young player could be payed big-time for meeting expectations, and the team isn't hurt as bad in the event of a bust.
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They need to figure out a way to where these players get absolutely paid in full worth if they're everything they're hyped up to be. If not, it shouldn't be franchise-crippling to have to cut a guy after 3 years. I mean, look at Larry Fitzgerald. He's hit every freakin bonus in his contract and dude was making 16 million this year. That's ridiculous jack, for anyone. He deserved every cent of it too, but had he not been putting up the numbers he had, he'd still be making somewhere in the 8-11 million/year range.

Rookie pay scale, give them some decent bonuses, but keep it slotted. That way there's no more training camp hold-outs, no upset veterans and no more fear of having a top 5 pick.
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The one thing that makes it a little tougher to create a pay scale in the NFL is that the different positions need to be accounted for. This really wouldn't be too hard to count though, as they could just put the salary at a chosen percentile of the whole leagues salaries at that position or something along those lines. Hopefully something is done in the next few years because it is already ridiculous.
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The one thing that makes it a little tougher to create a pay scale in the NFL is that the different positions need to be accounted for. This really wouldn't be too hard to count though, as they could just put the salary at a chosen percentile of the whole leagues salaries at that position or something along those lines. Hopefully something is done in the next few years because it is already ridiculous.
i actually saw a pretty good article on that last year around this time.

it said something like each position would get a different amount in a given slot, but no matter what position they are, they would still get more than the player taken after them no matter what position they were.

so for example, say:

#1 overall pick
QB-$25 million
RB/WR-$24 million
other postions-$23 million

#2 overall pick
QB=$22 million
etc etc

so even if you had say, a kicker, taken in one spot, he would get the least money possible for that slot but it would still be higher than the slot after him, even if in that slot was a QB.

i dunno if i made much sense but the article sure did
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The one thing that makes it a little tougher to create a pay scale in the NFL is that the different positions need to be accounted for. This really wouldn't be too hard to count though, as they could just put the salary at a chosen percentile of the whole leagues salaries at that position or something along those lines. Hopefully something is done in the next few years because it is already ridiculous.
They could schale it out, give them like 3 year contracts with an RFA-type system when that contract is coming up, with greater exclusivity to re-sign the players. 3 years is enough for analysis on any type of player IMO.
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How much will the top pick cost next year if its a QB? At what point will there be a stand off?
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How much will the top pick cost next year if its a QB? At what point will there be a stand off?
Well it obviously would be around 36 million guaranteed.

Holy smokes. That's Peyton Manning money.

Peyton freakin' Manning is gonna be paid as much or less than Tim Tebow/Matt Stafford. Ain't that some ish.
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