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Old 03-30-2009, 06:54 AM    (permalink
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Yeah, that sounds good. I disagree on cornerback, but that's it.

I actually want Maybin more so than Johnson, but would be happy with either. Maybin is more fluid than Johnson, although I'm not sure if he (Maybin) has the build to play with his hand down.

I'm really not into Larry English, though. Short and average speed.

Delmas would be good if we trade down.
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Yeah, that sounds good. I disagree on cornerback, but that's it.

I actually want Maybin more so than Johnson, but would be happy with either. Maybin is more fluid than Johnson, although I'm not sure if he (Maybin) has the build to play with his hand down.

I'm really not into Larry English, though. Short and average speed.

Delmas would be good if we trade down.

I'm not an overly huge fan of English myself.
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"The Falcons are hoping that one of the top edge rushers in the DE-OLB category falls their way in the draftís first round, but if one does not, sources say Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff would feel very comfortable trading down from their current position with the 24th overall pick. Word is the Falcons are very high on Western Michigan S Louis Delmas, but they donít believe heís a first-round-caliber player. Trading down into the early part of the second round could allow them to nab Delmas and an OLB-DE hybrid with the second-rounder they already have, fulfilling two needs early in the draft

Sources say the Falcons are not planning on using a high draft choice on a cornerback to replace ex-starter Domonique Foxworth, who joined the Ravens in free agency. We hear there will be a competition to fill the void between Von Hutchins, who missed all of last season after suffering a preseason foot injury, and second-year player Chevis Jackson, a third-round pick in 2008. Brent Grimes also will get a shot to compete for the job, but heís considered more of a long shot."

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If so, I will be very happy as well, finally gives us a little insight. Delmas as our first choice after a trade down and then en edge rusher sounds great. Just not sure which hybrid guy will be there at 55
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If so, I will be very happy as well, finally gives us a little insight. Delmas as our first choice after a trade down and then en edge rusher sounds great. Just not sure which hybrid guy will be there at 55
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No.

Barwin is a first round pick, or top of the first round. Delmas and him would be next to impossible.
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Barwin is a first round pick, or top of the first round. Delmas and him would be next to impossible.
He would be the perfect pick. I thought 55 was just about right for him, I never seen him in the first round in a mock. You're probably right though.
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I meant or top of the second round.

But 55 is very, very unlikely. He just ran a late 4.4 at his proday and so many teams need 3-4 outside linebackers.
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Ya I like Barwin a lot but I dont think there would be any way to land him as well as Delmas.

Not sure why we would be interested in a hybrid though.
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Ya I like Barwin a lot but I dont think there would be any way to land him as well as Delmas.

Not sure why we would be interested in a hybrid though.
Hybrid= situational pass rusher, pass rush specialist
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Hybrid= situational pass rusher, pass rush specialist
Thats what I feel we need, just not sure that was my understanding of the defenition.

Why cant it be a pass rush specialist.
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Thats what I feel we need, just not sure that was my understanding of the defenition.

Why cant it be a pass rush specialist.
Doesn't matter, they are generally one in the same.

Players like Maybin and Johnson would not immediately start, but they would contribute.

Still not sure how I feel about Michael Johnson. He has a world of talent, but really lacks any natural feel for the game or technique in his pass rush. He does have a very good work ethic, though.

I'd rather have Maybin. Smoother, more naturally athletic. Probably would have been a top 10 lock had he came out as a junior or senior. More natural instincts for getting to the passer.

I'm kind of weary about this draft.
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Am I the only one still on the Brandon Pettigrew bandwagon?
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Am I the only one still on the Brandon Pettigrew bandwagon?
I want him more than just about any player, and think he would be by far the best value. I think he is a top 15 player in this class, excluding position he is top 10.

Right now my top two (possible) guys are Maybin and Pettigrew. I think Michael Johnson is the most likely, though. I'm hoping we don't go with Larry English.

However, right now I doubt Maybin or Pettigrew are available when we pick. Maybin is full of potential and pass rushers, especially in the 3-4, are in high demand. Pettigrew is a fantastic all around tight end and at the latest I think he gos to the Eagles.

I'm also a very big Louis Delmas fan, but we would, like that article said, probably need to trade down (from our round 1 pick) or up (from our round 2 pick) in order to get proper value selecting him.
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I still like Michael Johnson very much. He was a consistent pass rushers since he arrived at the GT campus. I don't see him being a bust in the NFL like Jamaal Anderson was. Worse case scenario, he's a 3rd down pass rushing specialist.
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Johnson was not/ has not been a consistent pass rusher. He shows flashes, but throughout the corse of the game he is very inconsistent. He gets locked down often and doesn't show many pass rush moves or instinct. He gets by on all physical ability. 17 sacks in four seasons is not consistent. 16 in the past three is not consistent.

The only reason I wouldn't be completely mad with him is that we have one of the best pass rushers, both physically and technique wise, in the NFL in John Abraham. Johnson is a hard worker, so hopefully he would take after a player of Abraham's caliber.
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I wouldn't mind Pettigrew, but I'm not all that convinced he'll be worth the 24th pick. He wasn't that productive as a receiver in an offense in which he had an All American WR to take attention off him.
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He would have, using his averages for the rest of the season, had 61 receptions for 682 yards if not for injury. That is very good production on a team with a number one receiver and a great running game. Not to mention he is an excellent blocker.
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Take the attention off of him? Why would a team throw to a TE when their WR can consistently beat man to man coverage?
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I was virtually sold on Maybin as a guy id love for us to take (and a very realistic choice) a few weeks ago and voiced that opinion earlier in this thread. However i have cooled off that a bit now, not because i dont like the player, but because we needed his slow 40 time and disapointing combine to continue to his proday for us to have a snow balls change in hell of even getting a look at the guy. That didnt happen

If i could have anyone in the first round (after the elite guys) Maybin would be my #2 target after BJ Raji, sad thing now though is, they have about the same chance of being there when we pick.

I like Larry English, but have never been a real huge fan, if we drafted him i would love him, but as a prospect he doesnt have the stuff to get you excited about. I still think his value is 30-40

Im warming up to Brendan Pettigrew in the first recently, the guy is just a beast, and would be great value. He would give us a Heath Miller type player and be the final step in giving us a truely elite offense. The problem then is you need 3 more impact players (NT DE SS) in the draft and would not be able to trade down from 24 and still get Pettigrew.

I thought we could get around that problem and Bosanac's "dream mock" a few pages back explained some ideal situations. However the chances of Chung being there in the 2nd and Sidbury being there in the 3rd and looking more and more slim.

I also thought David Bruton in the 3rd would be a nice option also. But at the moment im not even sure he will still be there in the 3rd AND i have read some bad things about him having stiff hips.

One half solution i do like is Roy Miller, him being at Texas it was easy to find alot of footage and info on him but the main thing for me is he is the only guy i can remember seeing in this years draft (including Bj Raji) and last years draft (after Dorsey and Ellis) who has the combination of being stout, 310lbs at only 6"1, strong 32-34 reps at 225 AND is discribed as HAVING A GOOD MOTOR. The coaches didnt like any of the DTs after Ellis last year and i think that is why. When you factor in the fact that they seem to think Trey Lewis is a starter (from film) and that Roy Miller is likely still on the board in the 5th round, i think he would be a real solid pick for us and be a guy that would allow us the luxury of a Brandan Pettigrew in the 1st knowing it would be down to just DE and SS the next two picks.

1. Pettigrew TE
2. Sidbury DE/OLB
3. Bruton SS
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5. Miller NT
5. Best CB on our board

is probably a conservative but realistic look at the first 5 rounds should we take Pettigrew
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Am I the only one still on the Brandon Pettigrew bandwagon?

I still like him, but I'd definitely prefer a pass rusher.
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Johnson was not/ has not been a consistent pass rusher. He shows flashes, but throughout the corse of the game he is very inconsistent. He gets locked down often and doesn't show many pass rush moves or instinct. He gets by on all physical ability. 17 sacks in four seasons is not consistent. 16 in the past three is not consistent.

The only reason I wouldn't be completely mad with him is that we have one of the best pass rushers, both physically and technique wise, in the NFL in John Abraham. Johnson is a hard worker, so hopefully he would take after a player of Abraham's caliber.

Not to mention one of the best DL coaches in football.
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How about Ziggy Hood as a NT. Probably not his best fit. But 36 reps of the bench and a good motor is something we would probably like. He would be another guy i wouldm bundle with your Michael Johnsons, Larry Englishs, Louis Delmas as a possible trade down option.

How big was Broderick Bunkley when he came out? He was one of the best NT's in the league last year. Pretty sure he came out light (for a NT) but with very little body fat and amazing strength, similiar to Hood.
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Not the same player.

Bunkley was absolutely dominant in college, and was built like an absolute tank. He wasn't 300 pounds because he was small, he was 300 because he was maxed out with little fat. He was expected to be a UT, but his strength and, more importantly the scheme, allowed him to play NT.



Hood is very strong, but he doesn't play like Bunkley. The Eagles also don't usually have excessively large defensive lineman. In Jacksonville, Mike Smith had two monsters in the middle of his defense. I don't think he would want two sub 300 pounders in the middle of the defense.

I wouldn't rule it out, because if Hood is there in round two I wouldn't doubt us taking him. I don't think he is the best fit, though.
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Pettigrew is a little tricky. I'm worried about his ability to get separation at the NFL level. If he can't become a solid TE receiver, we'll end up overpaying for what amounts to a blocking TE.

Delmas is in the same category. He's a 2nd-round calibre safety. If we take him at #24, he'll be overpaid as well. I'm glad they're thinking of trading down for him but finding someone to trade down with in this draft is gonna be hard.

Johnson needs A LOT of work before he'll be a consistent pass rusher. Right now he's a pure speed rusher. He doesn't get good leverage and lacks the strength to break blocks.

English is the most ready pass rusher to come in and help out. His ceiling may not be as high as Johnson's but I can't imagine him being a bust. His motor, balance, and strength make him a force.

Clay Matthews is the speed OLB we need who can rush the passer and be solid at coverage. He's another guy who has the drive to succeed. Those types of guys always seem to have a lower bust rate in the NFL.

Looking at the guys we picked up last year, we tended to go for skill, work-ethic, and production over raw talent. Baker, Lofton, and Jackson were all mediocre combine guys with great production. I'd be amazed if we went against that for a raw, athletic guy like Johnson. But, then again, he's from GT and the Falcons have always liked grabbing guys from the Georgia teams.

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English is the most ready pass rusher to come in and help out. His ceiling may not be as high as Johnson's but I can't imagine him being a bust. His motor, balance, and strength make him a force.
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Not a bust, but not a player I would want in round one.
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