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Old 06-10-2008, 11:20 AM    (permalink
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"Considering the financial investment that the Vikings made to upgrade their roster this offseason, it should come as no surprise that owner Zygi Wilf and Pro Bowl defensive end Jared Allen have grand expectations. Wilf, attending the team's weekend minicamp, talked about the "tremendous amount of talent" the Vikings possess and that "every position that we felt we needed to get better at, we've brought the players in." Allen, the biggest name among the newcomers, was even more direct. "We expect to go to the Super Bowl," he said."
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With their defense and ADP, that is not a bad goal to have. With more consistency in the passing game and another year under Childress, they have a chance. The NFC is decently wide open.
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Old 06-10-2008, 11:32 AM    (permalink
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I want to see them make the playoffs first and get some consistency with that before talking, to the media, about superbowl.
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I really don't think it is that out of the question if there passing game steps it up it could happen.

They are not a lock by any means but if there D and running game plays like they should they could be trouble for the NFC.
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If Tarvaris Jackson, or any QB for that matter steps up they have a chance.
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Yeah they certainly have the potential, but thinking it in the lockeroom and going out and saying it is different. I want to see more consistently before I buy into that.
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If Tarvaris Jackson develops to the point that he throws 2,500 yards and has a 3-2 TD/INT ratio (around 20 TDs, I'd say), this could happen.

If he takes another year to develop and they don't bench him, no way.
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We have the talent to make the Superbowl but like everyone has said the question is the QB Spot. I think Tarvaris will do better than last year in his progression and he will become an establish QB. I said this in the Minnesota Vikings Discussion. He has no reason not to succeed. They got him a Deep Threat and Sidney Rice is a Tall Receiver to compliment Berrian. Adrian and Chester in the backfield pounding the run one first and second. The defense should be better than last year. We finally have a guy who can rush the QB and will give Kevin and Pat 1 on 1 battles. It's just good to see the Vikings players knowing what they need to do because of what the Organization has done last year and this year.
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If he takes another year to develop and they don't bench him, no way.
eh, i don't even know if he needs that many TD passes. The passing game just has to be considered a semi threat so that defenses don't have to completely ignore the passing game. If he's getting 200 yards passing a game i'd say they are fine. TDs will come if they can do that because the run game will the primary target of the defense so there will be opportunities. They just have to show they can take advantage of them. Superbowl is a serious possibility, but it should be for every team. I have no problem with them saying anything out loud, it just brings more pressure on the team and their QB because it is obvious that that is the weak link.....
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Yeah they certainly have the potential, but thinking it in the lockeroom and going out and saying it is different. I want to see more consistently before I buy into that.
I think that him going out and telling the media is a good move because it lets our guys know that we at least have one guy who believes in the team so much that he's willing to risk criticism by letting the league know what's expected of us.
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eh, i don't even know if he needs that many TD passes. The passing game just has to be considered a semi threat so that defenses don't have to completely ignore the passing game. If he's getting 200 yards passing a game i'd say they are fine. TDs will come if they can do that because the run game will the primary target of the defense so there will be opportunities. They just have to show they can take advantage of them. Superbowl is a serious possibility, but it should be for every team. I have no problem with them saying anything out loud, it just brings more pressure on the team and their QB because it is obvious that that is the weak link.....
last I checked the math, 200X16=3,200, so therefore, your idea woudl require more than what the other calls for in 2500, which I think is reasonable. Jus tthought I'd point it out.
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I mean it's always good aim that high, but first establish consistency before saying that. That's like the dolphins coming out and saying the same thing. Granted the Vikings have more talent than the Dolphins, but both need to show consistency in making the playoffs before going out and making statements like that.

We had problems with players opening their mouths saying stuff like that. So we had shirts made saying shut up and play the game, or something along those lines. I want to see consistency by the Vikings before reading and hearing their players talk about superbowl publicially at least.
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"Considering the financial investment that the Vikings made to upgrade their roster this offseason, it should come as no surprise that owner Zygi Wilf and Pro Bowl defensive end Jared Allen have grand expectations. Wilf, attending the team's weekend minicamp, talked about the "tremendous amount of talent" the Vikings possess and that "every position that we felt we needed to get better at, we've brought the players in." Allen, the biggest name among the newcomers, was even more direct. "We expect to go to the Super Bowl," he said."
Awesome, they can get totally thrashed by the Raiders again.
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I'd say they make it deep into the playoffs this year but ADP has never experianced the playoffs and seeing as he is there main offensive threat... its hard to give them the nod, as well as alot of their other core players not haveing that much experiance in the playoffs yet; and the final thing that will keep tem from reaching that bench mark is that they have no solid QB and as many people have said you cant win the superbowl without a good QB or atleast an experianced one, its like trying to win the world series without pitching it, it just doesnt usually work out. On another note I seriously like the Vikings this year, and if I had to make a homer prediction it would be that they would take the division and make it to the NFC title game where they would face the cowboys but unfortunatly it is going to be Dallas that comes out on top.
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How well Minnesota does depends all on how the QB play is plain and simple. If Tavaris steps up they can be dangerous especially in the NFC
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Maybe if they get a good QB and WR they could maybe make it
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Wait, isn't the point of playing in the NFL to get to and win the super bowl? So, shouldn't everyone expect to make it there? I personally think it'd be a shame if he didn't.
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you know what would be funny?

adrian peterson gets hurt for real this year. and they go 8 and 8.

all that money ziggy?
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I want to see them make the playoffs first and get some consistency with that before talking, to the media, about superbowl.
Thats how you feel as an outsider, if you are a HC(which I believe you are in real life) do you huddle your team up in training camp, and say, "guys, can really make the playoffs this year we just have to work, super bowl is obviously out of the question because their are alot of teams better, but we can at least make the playoffs", every team sets their goals on the playoffs...Honestly if before last season came out and somebody for the Giants said something about winning the super bowl alot of people would of laughed also, the "best team" doesn't always end up winning the super bowl, realistically all they have to do is be clicking at the right time of the year...If AD is healthy along with that D line, I wouldn't consider it out of the question if Jackson can play bus driver, I've seen plenty of teams win with a great defense and strong running game, happens all the time.


We all as outside fans want to sit here and say "there is no way this team makes it", but the facts are, teams or players don't think that way, even at the smallest levels, nor do they feel differently publicly speaking...Wasn't everyone bashing Vernon Gholston for saying something along the lines of competing for the super bowl, not this yr but next year, how is that so funny, and what Allen said is not right either? Can't be both ways, players feel they can win the super bowl with the guys around them, and saying is believing, I have no problem with guys speaking about the super bowl, rather that then personal stats or the pro bowl.
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I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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you know what would be funny?

adrian peterson gets hurt for real this year. and they go 8 and 8.

all that money ziggy?
Actually I wouldn't call that FUNNY at all.


But what is rather ironic/humorous is that if Zygi Wilf wasn't such a cheapskate 4-5 years ago when they had that prolific offense with Randy Moss while they were as high as 30 million under the cap, they would almost certainly have a ring or two by now.

Moss was made the scapegoat in Minnesota but in reality, it was not spending money to sure up that porous defense that cost them.
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