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Old 06-16-2008, 07:41 PM    (permalink
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Cowboys should be flopped with the 49ers. Other than that it is okay
Gore is overrated. severely. He had 1 pro bowl season and now he's in everyones top 5. I'd still like to see some more.

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Nope. I am basing it on his competition. He is not the threat in the passing game that Westbrook, Gore, Jackson are. He will catch check downs which is fine and there aren't any knocks on his hands but he isn't much of a threat compared to his competitors.

His YPC is below most of the other top backs. None of the other backs in the top 5 are averaging 7 YPC or below.
he averages 6.4 ypc, are you really going to let that .6 influence you to write "He isn't much in the passing game"?

44 catches for 282 yards (6.4 avg.) and 2 TD's for a RB is good enough for me...

Yeah, he's not Westbrook, but who is? Westbrook is the best pass catching RB in the league.
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Why would you want Barber catching passes when you've got Whitten, Owens and Glenn?

Westbrook and Tomlinson are the offense in their cities.

The receivers are the offense in big D/
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Gore is overrated. severely. He had 1 pro bowl season and now he's in everyones top 5. I'd still like to see some more.
Since when do Pro Bowl's determine how good a player is? Watch the guy play.
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Gore is overrated. severely. He had 1 pro bowl season and now he's in everyones top 5. I'd still like to see some more.
He has only started for two seasons. He had a good season last year despite injuries, an inept offensive coordinator and no passing game. So one out of two isn't bad.

Also Clinton Portis, Steven Jackson and Adrian Peterson only have one pro bowl season each and you didn't say they are overrated. Westbrook only has two. Pro bowls don't really say much. And if you are talking about good years, Steven Jackson has only one more year of starting experience and Adrian Peterson has one less.

I don't see how he is severely overrated. Is he the third best back? Maybe, it's debatable. But name 5 backs in the NFC that are better.
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Gore is overrated. severely. He had 1 pro bowl season and now he's in everyones top 5. I'd still like to see some more.
What have you been watchin ? He carries that team, runs hard every play, can block and catch and is the most level headed (non arrogant RB) besides LT. He'd be an asset to 31 other teams - he might not be attractive but boy he's effective
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Why would you want Barber catching passes when you've got Whitten, Owens and Glenn?

Westbrook and Tomlinson are the offense in their cities.

The receivers are the offense in big D/
It's always nice to have additional options and weapons to keep defenses honest.
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What have you been watchin ? He carries that team, runs hard every play, can block and catch and is the most level headed (non arrogant RB) besides LT. He'd be an asset to 31 other teams - he might not be attractive but boy he's effective
While he can catch and block its not as if he's as well rounded as Steven Jackson and with running backs its all about dependability.

Tishmanga Biabutaka was a probowler calibre runner when he was on the field, which was about twice a season.

Gore is a great runner and an adequate receiver/blocker but if he can't carry the load every year for the next 3 or 4 years at least, he doesn't belong in the top 5.
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who would u take over him?
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who would u take over him?
Tomlinson
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Westbrook

No doubt about any of those players.

Then take your pick of:

Portis
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and a few other guys if healthy.
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Frank Gore does a lot more than those guys you just listed with ALOT less. For the past two seasons Alex Smith only liked decent ONCE, a waste of space offensive line, and lazy ass WRs. Not to mention a couple of new Offensive schemes. I mean, all of you guys are just contradicting yourselves when you say you wanna see more from Frank and then put AP over him after ONE good season. You guys say you want him to carry the load then you tried to put guys like Barber and Portis over him. The only guys I wouldn't mind putting over Gore is Tomlinson, Westbrook, MAYBE Jackson and LJ.
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Frank Gore does a lot more than those guys you just listed with ALOT less. For the past two seasons Alex Smith only liked decent ONCE, a waste of space offensive line, and lazy ass WRs. Not to mention a couple of new Offensive schemes. I mean, all of you guys are just contradicting yourselves when you say you wanna see more from Frank and then put AP over him after ONE good season. You guys say you want him to carry the load then you tried to put guys like Barber and Portis over him. The only guys I wouldn't mind putting over Gore is Tomlinson, Westbrook, MAYBE Jackson and LJ.
Maybe Steven Jackson??

Jackson is head and heels better than Frank Gore, and it's not even close
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Surprised we're ranked so highly, we definately have a top 5 running game but the oline is a big part of that and honestly our most talented back is probably The Mighty Midget because he just played at like he had to prove himself with every step, our toughest runner, most breakaway speed and probably even most consistent blocker, Jacobs lays people out cause he's f'in huge but he has a lot of work to do at being a rb and not just a battering ram.
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Gore's a good backbut based off what I've seen I'd rate him below Tomlinson, Westbrook, SJ, AD, LJ, Marshawn and maybe Portis.
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How about some facts or arguments to back up your statements? Just saying them doesn't really do much
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Maybe Steven Jackson??

Jackson is head and heels better than Frank Gore, and it's not even close
While I agree Jackson is the better Back, its alot closer than you say. I would say they are very close, the only things I'd say Jackson is better is in speed and receiving. Gore is still a very good receiving RB though so the difference isn't huge.
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While I agree Jackson is the better Back, its alot closer than you say. I would say they are very close, the only things I'd say Jackson is better is in speed and receiving. Gore is still a very good receiving RB though so the difference isn't huge.
Jackson is much better at breaking tackles and moving the pile. The guy is a battering ram.
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lol u wanna tell me Frank Gore is not that good at breaking tackles or moving the pile?
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lol u wanna tell me Frank Gore is not that good at breaking tackles or moving the pile?
No, I want to tell you Jackson is better.
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As of right now, I'd take Westbrook/Buckhalter over Portis/Betts.

Maybe not after the end of this year depending on how Portis does in Zorn's offense. I know Betts will do pretty well, he's a great receiver out of the backfield.

Westbrook is a solid 2 right behind LT in my opinion.
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Excellent for Detroit. Last place. We got you right where we want you now for the big zone blocking scheme suprise. At least the runners fit the scheme and we'll attempt to run the ball this year. They forgot about Artose Pinner, Brian Calhoun and Aveion Cason. Now that is some backup talent.
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Frank Gore does a lot more than those guys you just listed with ALOT less. For the past two seasons Alex Smith only liked decent ONCE, a waste of space offensive line, and lazy ass WRs. Not to mention a couple of new Offensive schemes. I mean, all of you guys are just contradicting yourselves when you say you wanna see more from Frank and then put AP over him after ONE good season. You guys say you want him to carry the load then you tried to put guys like Barber and Portis over him. The only guys I wouldn't mind putting over Gore is Tomlinson, Westbrook, MAYBE Jackson and LJ.
So how exatcly is frank gore better than clinton portis and are you trying to say that Portis doesnt carry the load?
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I would change the Packers and Falcons. None of Atl running backs have proven to be number 1 backs.
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Gore is overrated. severely. He had 1 pro bowl season and now he's in everyones top 5. I'd still like to see some more.
1 more then what the Cowboys backs have done. I agree with what the 9er fan said, Gore has been struck with injuries this year, but still manged 1000 yards behind that o-line and offense.
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1 more then what the Cowboys backs have done. I agree with what the 9er fan said, Gore has been struck with injuries this year, but still manged 1000 yards behind that o-line and offense.
didnt barber somehow go to the pro bowl
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