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Old 06-17-2008, 03:17 PM    (permalink
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Ever been to a New Year's party? Is it a jerk-move to spray champagne at Midnight?
There's a time and place for everything. I'd still prefer not to be sprayed down w/anything, thanks.

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Sounds like that hot desert sun is blocking your ability to think clearly.
No, he's absolutely right. And it's sad that there are people who don't think it's a disrespectful, d-bag maneuver to think it's ok to do whatever the f8ck you want b/c you've got money to burn.

If it turns out that the club was packed full of Walker's friends and family that's one thing - same as a private New Year's party would be. Otherwise it just shows a complete lack of respect for others, whether you think it's 'cool' or not.
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Kevin. I also don't think you'll be in the same club as Javon. And i mean that in the best way. You're a level headed white middle class dude, who doesn't neeeeed to go to vegas and sit in a bar with tramps and athletes and get your **** sprayed with champagne.

Duster. Quit busting his balls. Just because you're a club rat doesn't mean he has to take that.
Just trying to explain to him that there are differences in what is socially-acceptable based on the situation.
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Just trying to explain to him that there are differences in what is socially-acceptable based on the situation.
The key term is "socially-acceptable" - which is compatible w/being a d-bag. I've been sprayed w/champagne and, despite it being "socially-acceptable" in a club setting, found it to be thoroughly obnoxious and wasteful - especially when it's the good stuff. For the love of all things alcoholic - if you're just going to spray the crowd with it - buy some effin Korbel!!

It's irrelevant anyway, since the main issue (imo) is the display of wealth shown by spraying people w/a gratuitous number of bottles in the first place. Talk about making yourself an instant target. He certainly doesn't deserve it (nobody does, regardless of age/race/social/economic status) but there are ways to reduce the chances of something like this happening. ie - a limo or cab - as mentioned before.
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The key term is "socially-acceptable" - which is compatible w/being a d-bag. I've been sprayed w/champagne and, despite it being "socially-acceptable" in a club setting, found it to be thoroughly obnoxious and wasteful - especially when it's the good stuff. For the love of all things alcoholic - if you're just going to spray the crowd with it - buy some effin Korbel!!

Agreed. I don't like to pay 40 dollars to have my dress or top drycleaned because some douchebag likes to shoot his load and can't keep it to himself.
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jesus, get real.

are you honestly suggesting that me posting that he's an idiot has any remote connection to his dad walking into the hospital and saying the same thing? i can't even begin to put into words how incredibly ridiculous that is.

treat others how i'd want to be treated? to be honest, if i had just sprayed champagne over a bunch of people in the wrong place and had been robbed/mugged afterwards, i think i'd probably have bigger things to worry about than whether a bunch of folks on some internet forum think i did something stupid. i fail to see how this golden rule BS has anything to do with any of this.
i wasn't saying that his father wlaked in and said those things. I was trying to use an analogy to get the point across. I was saying that any of us would feel like a total a**hole in that situation, and people saying sh*t like what was said before wouldn't make anything better at all, and is flat out wrong.
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I'm not entirely shocked he was found alone. You all can't possibly tell me you've never witnessed a fight go down and then run away to avoid being next or possibly caught by cops. He could have been with people who fled the scene before cops came due to less than legal circumstances
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horse****. you spray me with anything at a bar and i'm liable to try to break your neck. further, what the hell does new year's have to do with anything? as far as i remember, that's in january.
You're liable to break my neck? What are you, 16 years old? Somebody sprays champagne into a crowd and you're going to go up to them and start a fight? Calm down their Rambo. Second of all, if it was me, or in this case Javon Walker who did, I can ensure you that wouldn't step to them or if you did you'd be plastered onto the ground like Turtle at the Malice at the Palace.

The point about New Year's is that it is commonplace to have champagne sprayed into a crowd at celebrations. Maybe you people haven't experienced this, but it happens all the time at clubs and parties, and not just on New Years.
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You're liable to break my neck? What are you, 16 years old? Somebody sprays champagne into a crowd and you're going to go up to them and start a fight? Calm down their Rambo. Second of all, if it was me, or in this case Javon Walker who did, I can ensure you that wouldn't step to them or if you did you'd be plastered onto the ground like Turtle at the Malice at the Palace.

The point about New Year's is that it is commonplace to have champagne sprayed into a crowd at celebrations. Maybe you people haven't experienced this, but it happens all the time at clubs and parties, and not just on New Years.
Javon Walker can't be that tough or else he wouldn't have been left unconsious in the street.
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The point about New Year's is that it is commonplace to have champagne sprayed into a crowd at celebrations. Maybe you people haven't experienced this, but it happens all the time at clubs and parties, and not just on New Years.
Because people arn't really supposed to be taking baths in such carbonated liquids every night (even in vegas) that are indeed tasty and not for getting all over my clothes.

Just because you're a rock superstar, live large, big house, two cars, doesn't mean you get to act like a douchebag and spray people not your friends.
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Because people arn't really supposed to be taking baths in such carbonated liquids every night (even in vegas) that are indeed tasty and not for getting all over my clothes.

Just because you're a rock superstar, live large, big house, two cars, doesn't mean you get to act like a douchebag and spray people not your friends.
I thought it was five cars...
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"ANTE UP, JACK THAT FOOL/
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IT'S THE PERFECT TIMING, YOU SEE THAT MAN SHINING?

GET UP OFF THEM GOTDAMN DIAMONDS!/"



I'm really sorry about what happened to Javon Walker, its most unfortunate.

But this is the only thing that runs through my head when I think of this situation.....had this song ran through his head while he indulged in acts of grandoise showing of wealth, this situation might not of had happened, but it's Vegas though....the same Vegas where Levi Jones got jumped by Joey Porter and his 'gang', so.....(shrugs)
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not in this day and age. gas is too expensive even for rock superstars
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ZOMG you must be like 6 or something!!! *yawn*

fact: if anyone poured their drink on me for any reason at any bar, we would have a problem, whether i'd get "stomped" or not. what the hell clubs do you "go to" that you think this is somehow acceptable behaviour? maybe i should meet you there and pour a beer on your head, since there's realistically no difference (except that champagne is sticky).

but hey, if you like it when people hose you down at a club, by all means, wear a big, sloppy grin. but suggesting that everyone on earth should be ok with it because it happens every once in a while at a bar is the absolute height of idiocy.
There's a difference between getting a few drops of champagne sprayed on you in celebration and having a beer dumped on your head. But hey, you haven't experienced it so how are you supposed to know that?
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Duster just doesn't get the big picture. All he needs to do is look at a normal person, or at the Javon situation and result to realize that that isn't how general thought processes work. If you want to use ur 'situation' as a reason for the action, then realize at least that this obviously wasn't the situation, and there are in fact people out there who do believe that getting sprayed with a liquid in pretty much any setting is grounds to get beaten down. Make a mental note of that so that u don't end up in that situation, and end up saying to urself later 'man, i thought i was just being cool'
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Javon Walker wasnt attacked because he was spraying the crowd with champagne - Dustbuster's right, this type of thing is very common, especially in Vegas, where when you go out to party, you go out to party hard. A little champagne never hurt nobody, this isn't njx's Boulder CO dive where if someobody pours alcohol on you its go time. It's Vegas, where this type of celebrating is commonplace.

He was attacked because a couple a haters saw an opportunity to come up. The thing I really don't understand is that if he was at the club with a bunch of family and friends, where the hell were they while he was being rolled up? To me it doesn't make sense, there is more to it. I have ended up alone while partying only once, and that was because I blacked out and wandered away from the group, and I doubt Walker was that far gone (could be wrong) ... Either way, I hope more of the story comes out because it just doesn't add up.

At any rate, Kevin - even though it goes against my deeply entrenched Raider instincts, it has been far too long since I have seen one of your incredibly detailed and precisely up -to- scale renderings. Perhaps Javon is in need of such an honor? I am in need of such a laugh.
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We don’t believe this is a random act,” Las Vegas police Lt. Clint Nichols told the Chronicle. “They knew who he was and (Walker) presented a target.
“We did get a surveillance (video) of a vehicle and suspects that may have been involved. We know there were suspects, possibly two (but) we haven’t identified anyone yet.”
I wonder if "not a random act" means planned in advance and premeditated, or if it could still be in retaliation from someone who got champagne sprayed on their expensive threads.
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I wonder if "not a random act" means planned in advance and premeditated, or if it could still be in retaliation from someone who got champagne sprayed on their expensive threads.
Well it could have been someone who got sprayed with champagne who called up his buddies or whatever, then waited for Walker to be seen alone or in a dark place or whatever. Meaning he planned to whoop his ass since he saw him inside.
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So it had absolutely nothing to do with the champagne-spraying...

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3448362
It was a robbery. He was targeted as a pro athlete and robbed.

But hey, it was probably triggered because some thug had a drop of champagne sprayed onto his polo.
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according to Javon:

"I was just back at my room and at about 5:30 in the morning I got a knock at the door. I opened it and 3 guys with guns were there. They cracked me in the head a few times, knocking me unconscious. They then robbed me of everything I had; my watch, money, everything! Somehow they got me to a car and dropped me off in the street. That’s what happened."

Whether or not he is being honest, I just thought I would bring it into the discussion.
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Old 06-18-2008, 10:06 AM    (permalink
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So it had absolutely nothing to do with the champagne-spraying...



It was a robbery. He was targeted as a pro athlete and robbed.

But hey, it was probably triggered because some thug had a drop of champagne sprayed onto his polo.
why would someone who wants to beat someone down make a report at the club? These aren't 5 year old kids who cry to mommy. If this is common place in Vegas, which u say it is, then obviously the club would think nothing of it. It takes one thug wearing $500+ piece of clothing to get pissed off. The fact that he was a pro athlete probably may have factored in, but to just rule out Javon's actions at the casino/bar is just being ignorant
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according to Javon:

"I was just back at my room and at about 5:30 in the morning I got a knock at the door. I opened it and 3 guys with guns were there. They cracked me in the head a few times, knocking me unconscious. They then robbed me of everything I had; my watch, money, everything! Somehow they got me to a car and dropped me off in the street. That’s what happened."

Whether or not he is being honest, I just thought I would bring it into the discussion.
This is a little fishy. Why would they knock him in the head in his room, rob him, then carry him down to their vehicle through a hotel hallway. And then drop him off in the street. Why not just leave him unconcious in his room? Why risk carrying him downstairs?

My gut tells me Javon's hiding something. I've blacked out while drinking a few times in my youth and it's embarassing and confusing. And given what just went down with Cedric I would think Javon would have motive to cover up his own indiscretions.

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I concur. That may be the most BS story I've ever heard. I wonder if the truth will come out . . .


Must have been one of the few hotels in Vegas that doesn't have any security cameras.
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