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Old 06-17-2008, 07:31 PM    (permalink
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I'm not saying he shouldn't be given a shot. I thought it was funny that people are expecting him to suddenly reform back to his college self. You want to know what the difference is between him and other guys who get cut and come back and be successful? Work ethic. Most of them work ridiculously hard with determination and motviation just to get a chance and they take advantage. Jimmy has had work ethic and dedication issues since the draft. I really fail to see how he will instantly change.


Who in this thread has said anything remotely close to him "suddenly reforming to his college self", because I haven't seen anything close...Unless you think "I wouldn't mind if (insert favorite team here) gave him a look, we could use a CB or FS" means people are so excited about him turning into a pro bowler.


Besides that, poor work ethic changes from city to city and it always has, alot of players would have a poor work ethic for the Falcons...Remember people questioning Randy Moss' and Jerry Porters work ethic in Oakland, now all of a sudden thats not a problem for either being in NE and Jax, sometimes a change of scenery is needed, or a coach who is going to crack the whip and get him on the ball...The fact is, you can't just base the assumption off him not panning out in ATL means his career is over, thats all there is to it...And again your being overly harsh on the guys skillset(which isn't surprising for how many ATL fans I see calling Anderson a bust after 1 year, which reminds me alot of how some of the same fans trashed Roddy White after 2 years), some guys need time to develop...How about letting him play safety for a few years before deciding, or even corner, the schemes and positions have changed for him from the get go.


I have the same argument with Carpenter which is why I don't want to let him go, guys get moved around so much they don't get a chance to learn one spot or system properly...Also in case your forgetting his salary is under 500k, so weight issues or not, if somebody signs him and it doesn't pan out what exactly did they lose? No draft picks, no guaranteed money, guys get cut and resigned yearly, just because he busted as a Falcon doesn't mean he won't end up solid somewhere else.
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6-6 300 lbs. Geez, Jamal Anderson should get cut or maybe the Falcons should try running some 3-4 looks.
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Who in this thread has said anything remotely close to him "suddenly reforming to his college self", because I haven't seen anything close...Unless you think "I wouldn't mind if (insert favorite team here) gave him a look, we could use a CB or FS" means people are so excited about him turning into a pro bowler.


Besides that, poor work ethic changes from city to city and it always has, alot of players would have a poor work ethic for the Falcons...Remember people questioning Randy Moss' and Jerry Porters work ethic in Oakland, now all of a sudden thats not a problem for either being in NE and Jax, sometimes a change of scenery is needed, or a coach who is going to crack the whip and get him on the ball...The fact is, you can't just base the assumption off him not panning out in ATL means his career is over, thats all there is to it...And again your being overly harsh on the guys skillset(which isn't surprising for how many ATL fans I see calling Anderson a bust after 1 year, which reminds me alot of how some of the same fans trashed Roddy White after 2 years), some guys need time to develop...How about letting him play safety for a few years before deciding, or even corner, the schemes and positions have changed for him from the get go.


I have the same argument with Carpenter which is why I don't want to let him go, guys get moved around so much they don't get a chance to learn one spot or system properly...Also in case your forgetting his salary is under 500k, so weight issues or not, if somebody signs him and it doesn't pan out what exactly did they lose? No draft picks, no guaranteed money, guys get cut and resigned yearly, just because he busted as a Falcon doesn't mean he won't end up solid somewhere else.


His work ethic has ALWAYS been questioned. Even before the Falcons became bad. He was coming into a situation with his Vick and his buddy DeAngelo Hall, and he didn't work. I just don't see how he's suddenly going to become a determined hard worker. Is it out of the question completely? No. Just advising here, he's really not much to get excited about. Even on special teams. He got deactivated for 2 games because he didn't try on special teams.
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His work ethic has ALWAYS been questioned. Even before the Falcons became bad. He was coming into a situation with his Vick and his buddy DeAngelo Hall, and he didn't work. I just don't see how he's suddenly going to become a determined hard worker. Is it out of the question completely? No. Just advising here, he's really not much to get excited about. Even on special teams. He got deactivated for 2 games because he didn't try on special teams.
His salary is 500k, I don't think anybody is going to sign him to start or build the defense around him, so whats your gripe? Guys get picked up off the waiver for cheap all the time, whats so different here? You think he shouldn't be signed because he has poor work ethic?
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His salary is 500k, I don't think anybody is going to sign him to start or build the defense around him, so whats your gripe? Guys get picked up off the waiver for cheap all the time, whats so different here? You think he shouldn't be signed because he has poor work ethic?


I didn't say he shouldn't be signed. If you think you can work with him and change what no one else has been able to go ahead. I'm just saying, don't expect anything. He's shown absolutely nothing.
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Yeah. I was so excited when we drafted him, but damn his work ethic. He already had an issue when he bought a car before he was even signed, and now him at 230, 240 lbs. Thats disappointing.

Hopefully Jamaal Anderson gets better though. I will give him another year or two.
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He might be best suited hiring a personal trainer, getting down to 220 and focus on playing safety.
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Wasn't he playing safety the last 2 years?
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If he gets cut I'd love to see the giants bring him in, so much potential and with our gaggle of DEs they'd force him to earn his reps.
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I dont think many teams want a player who really cant start at either position, but he'd probably be a more than decent backup, probably a pretty good NB.
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Oh yeah, a Cover 2 team should def. try him at CB.
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He's messed up physically and mentally, idk if he can ever come back and be good... but im hoping he does. He deserves another shot and he'll get it. He needs to get his head in check.
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As a 49ers fan, I wouldnt mind seeing them put in a claim for him and if we get him, the worse thing that could happen is that he would just be a waste of time and space. Big deal.

Falcons should have just kept him though. He has a cheap salary and it just doesnt make any sense to release him after just two seasons with several coaching changes. I personally would have kept him until his salary jumps into the millions.
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As a 49ers fan, I wouldnt mind seeing them put in a claim for him and if we get him, the worse thing that could happen is that he would just be a waste of time and space. Big deal.

Falcons should have just kept him though. He has a cheap salary and it just doesnt make any sense to release him after just two seasons with several coaching changes. I personally would have kept him until his salary jumps into the millions.
But the last thing you want is to rebuild your team with guys who have poor work ethic (and apparently, I've heard he's got poor work ethic, just read the above posts).

As a Cowboys fan, I can't say I'm interested cuz I feel our defensive backfield is a little crowded at the moment.

But for some other teams, Jimmy Williams is not a bad look. The guy obviously still has talent and still has potential. If a team can work through his problems, he can still develop into a decent starter or a pretty good nickelback. His potential, combined with his cheap salary, means he'll get picked up somewhere. It's a bad time to get signed once you get cut, but I like him going to a place who needs depth or someone rotating corners trying to find that one guy who can step up.
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Faster? The aforementioned article just claimed he was too slow to play CB. Plus one of the main reasons why he fell so far on draft day was poor hip swivel. He's a zone coverage CB or a deep safety. You don't want him guarding anyone man to man
exactly, Cover-2/zone dominated schemes might find a great pickup in this kid.
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The Falcons want no part with anymore VT players thats for sure.
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I was somewhat PO'd with us taking Johnathan Joseph over him. I liked Joseph a lot but Williams had that top 10 tag on him. I'm an idiot.
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As a 49ers fan, I wouldnt mind seeing them put in a claim for him and if we get him, the worse thing that could happen is that he would just be a waste of time and space. Big deal.

Falcons should have just kept him though. He has a cheap salary and it just doesnt make any sense to release him after just two seasons with several coaching changes. I personally would have kept him until his salary jumps into the millions.
Hell no we dont want him. I thought the guy was problem coming out and he hasnt proved me wrong yet. Favorite part is a 2006 interview he did with Sporting News Draft mag:
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Dont need a guy like that thank you
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Seahawks have no depth at the FS and as a Hawks fan would love to give him a chance for such a low cost. Mora is our DB coach and future head coach and will see if he gives Jimmy a call.
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Imo the work ethic question raised above is a pretty valid one. Lets face it the Falcons acted like punks with mora at the helm it seems they spent a lot of time when he was the HC in brawls with the panthers, titans, eagles and at st louis and thats just to name a few times when mora couldn't control his players.

Under petrino it was just as bad remember the carolina game when hall basically handed carolina 75 yards with stupid penalties and arguing with the ref?

IMO they all point to poor management and leadership. is it really that hard to envision that if he can't stop players from acting like thugs he couldn't stop them from ignoring schedules etc?
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Imo the work ethic question raised above is a pretty valid one. Lets face it the Falcons acted like punks with mora at the helm it seems they spent a lot of time when he was the HC in brawls with the panthers, titans, eagles and at st louis and thats just to name a few times when mora couldn't control his players.

Under petrino it was just as bad remember the carolina game when hall basically handed carolina 75 yards with stupid penalties and arguing with the ref?

IMO they all point to poor management and leadership. is it really that hard to envision that if he can't stop players from acting like thugs he couldn't stop them from ignoring schedules etc?

Care to explain how being a thug relates to work ethic? Lazy would probably be a better word, I hate when people throw the word thug around as if it implies to so many different scenarios...Last I checked JW hasn't been arrested or suspended, and the penalties you are talking about are attributed to Hall not Williams...Thug and being lazy don't mean the same thing to me.
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