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Old 06-22-2008, 11:30 AM    (permalink
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Peyton Manning
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Antonio Gates
Ladanian Tomlinson
Brian Urlacher
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Brian Urlacher
Mario Williams
Aaron Smith
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3 steelers in the top 10 overall players? 3 safeties? No QB's? No LT?
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Old 06-22-2008, 12:18 PM    (permalink
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He can't be the best special teamer ever if he only returns kicks. How many tackles does he have on coverage? It is safer to say he may be the best punt returner ever, but everywhere else there is competition, especially with coverage.
Who cares about coverage? Id take Devin Hester over any coverage player ever... its like saying deion isnt the greatest CB cause he doesnt tackle
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3 steelers in the top 10 overall players? 3 safeties? No QB's? No LT?
Top10 favourite players ;)
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Old 06-22-2008, 12:23 PM    (permalink
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Nah I think it's supposed to be top 10 best players

Here's Mine:
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Ladanian Tomlinson
Brian Westbrook
Adrian Peterson
Randy Moss
Joe Thomas
Jared Allen
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Nah I think it's supposed to be top 10 best players

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Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Ladanian Tomlinson
Brian Westbrook
Adrian Peterson
Randy Moss
Joe Thomas
Jared Allen
Champ Bailey
Bob Sanders
it is. Homerboy got it wrong.
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:16 PM    (permalink
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Top 10 Favorite Players to Watch:
Jonathan Vilma
Kerry Rhodes
Marion Barber
Rodney Harrison
Jon Beason
Brian Westbrook
LaDainian Tomlinson
Marshawn Lynch
Patrick Willis
Adrian Peterson

Top 10 Players Regardless of Position:
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
LaDainian Tomlinson
Brian Westbrook
Walter Jones
Nnamdi Asomugha
DeMarcus Ware
Jared Allen
Adrian Peterson
Randy Moss

ya, that was real tough. Leaving off Champ, Urlacher and Steve Smith among others. I could second guess my list every minute....
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I'm going to go with my ten favorites

Jason Witten
Joe Thomas
Andre Johnson
Brian Westbrook
Torry Holt
Marion Barber III
Donald Driver
Tommie Harris
Marcus Trufant
Braylon Edwards
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Ray Lewis
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Patrick Willis
Shawn Merriman
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Ernie Simms
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Bob Sanders
La'ron Landry
Peyton Manning.
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Jared Allen
Patrick Willis
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Sorry for being so brief in the original post.

The idea is the 10 players whose game you have the most respect for. As a Jags fan, I'm not a fan of Albert Haynesworth or Peyton Manning at all, but I have a tremendous amount of respect. It's basically the players who, when you're watching a game, absolutely just jump off the screen at you and are heads and shoulders above the rest of the guys on the field.
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Sorry for being so brief in the original post.

The idea is the 10 players whose game you have the most respect for. As a Jags fan, I'm not a fan of Albert Haynesworth or Peyton Manning at all, but I have a tremendous amount of respect. It's basically the players who, when you're watching a game, absolutely just jump off the screen at you and are heads and shoulders above the rest of the guys on the field.
with that said

Adrian Peterson
Brian Westbrook
LaDainian Tomlinson (These 3 RBs can just break the game open and u have to account for them at all times. The smallest opportunity and they can break it, even if there isn't an opportunity, they can make it.)

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady (always seem to be in control, make the throws, and u just know that when they have the ball they will make the right decision. it can break ur heart when u sit and know that they are going to make something happen)

Randy Moss (some of the catches he makes just by out jumping or out running them makes it look easy, which can just kill u)

Patrick Willis (i didn't watch any more than 3/4 SF games this year, but when i did, he just seemed to be the guy that always found the ball. You could just watch him and u'd be amazed with his speed and range to get to the ball.)

Andre Johnson (he didn't play all the games last year, but when he was on the field, he just amazed me. He pretty much has everything u want in a reciever, i don't really know what else to say)

Devin Hester (how can he not jump out at u? you watch a bears game and ur just waiting for him to get the ball in his hands because u know it can happen. his speed/accelaration is something in itself)

Nnamdi Asomugha (u don't get to see him that much, but that is because he's shutting down that side of the field. When u do get to watch him and can appreciate what he's doing, it does jump out at u.)


that would be 10.
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What's most people reasoning for having Merriman listed above Ware? Just curious to hear some thoughts, their pass rushing skills seem to be on the same level and I'd like to think Ware's versatility and coverage ability would rate him oh so slightly higher, just because of all the things he's asked to do and does very well.
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What's most people reasoning for having Merriman listed above Ware? Just curious to hear some thoughts, their pass rushing skills seem to be on the same level and I'd like to think Ware's versatility and coverage ability would rate him oh so slightly higher, just because of all the things he's asked to do and does very well.
I love both...i just like Merriman laying the wood! Ware is probably the better overall player, i just prefer watching Merriman.
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Its bs thats what it is. Ware > Merriman.
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it can break ur heart when u sit and know that they are going to make something happen
This sucks so bad, must people don't realize how bad it sucks just knowing you are going to lose. The first game that comes to mind is the Pats/Ravens game last year. You just knew that the Pats were going to win. Whether it be from penalties or whatever. You knew Brady was going to make it happen.
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What's most people reasoning for having Merriman listed above Ware? Just curious to hear some thoughts, their pass rushing skills seem to be on the same level and I'd like to think Ware's versatility and coverage ability would rate him oh so slightly higher, just because of all the things he's asked to do and does very well.
Because their pass rushing skills aren't on par. In 48 starts Ware has 33.5 sacks. In 37 starts Merriman has 39.5 sacks. Merriman's sacks rate is way higher than Ware's.

Just to make a extrapolation point: If both players maintain their current sack pace and start 16 of 16 games per season until they are both 30, Ware would have 89.5 career sacks. Merriman would have 159 career sacks. That's a huge difference.

Granted, that gives Merriman a distinct advantage because he's two years younger, but he's averaging nearly 6 more sacks per full season to date. Ware is certainly more versatile, but he's not the dominant rushing force that Merriman is by a long shot (or, at least, hasn't been to date).
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Because their pass rushing skills aren't on par. In 48 starts Ware has 33.5 sacks. In 37 starts Merriman has 39.5 sacks. Merriman's sacks rate is way higher than Ware's.

Just to make a extrapolation point: If both players maintain their current sack pace and start 16 of 16 games per season until they are both 30, Ware would have 89.5 career sacks. Merriman would have 159 career sacks. That's a huge difference.

Granted, that gives Merriman a distinct advantage because he's two years younger, but he's averaging nearly 6 more sacks per full season to date. Ware is certainly more versatile, but he's not the dominant rushing force that Merriman is by a long shot (or, at least, hasn't been to date).

Good points, but when using stats you also have to keep in mind how much each player is asked to blitz, and one could make an argument that Merriman has/is asked to blitz alot more then Ware, and Ware is dropping back into coverage alot more.
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This sucks so bad, must people don't realize how bad it sucks just knowing you are going to lose. The first game that comes to mind is the Pats/Ravens game last year.
I'm still trying to figure out how the Chiefs can go 4-12 and NE can go 18-1 and the Chiefs first game is vs NE in NE who's idea was that?
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1 Peyton Manning
2 Ladanian Tomlinson
3 Tom Brady
4 Demarcus Ware
5 Nnamdi Asomugha
6 Brian Westbrook
7 Champ Bailey
8 Bob Sanders
9 Joe Thomas
10 Randy Moss
HM: Devin Hester. Would be top 10 if he did more than return punts

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1 Peyton Manning
2 Randy Moss
3 LaDanian Tomlinson
4 Anquan Boldin
5 Vince Young
6 Chad Johnson
7 Michael Griffin
8 Brian Westbrook
9 Andre Johnson
10 Chris Johnson
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Good points, but when using stats you also have to keep in mind how much each player is asked to blitz, and one could make an argument that Merriman has/is asked to blitz alot more then Ware, and Ware is dropping back into coverage alot more.
No doubt, but when we're discussing dominant players, or players that stand out, I think Merriman being the overwhelming answer is perfectly understandable. He's been the best pass rushing threat in the NFL since he entered the league, he's an immensely powerful defender, and if he maintains his sack rate for most of his career he may well threaten the all-time sack record.

Ware is a great player, and if Merriman never manages to develop the rest of his game further, than he may even be considered the better overall player by the end of their respective careers. But getting to the passer is just about the most visible thing a defender can do, and Merriman does it more than anyone.
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1. Braylon Edwards
2. Steve Hutchinson
3. Charles Woodson
4. David Harris
5. LaMarr Woodley
6. Tom Brady
7. Leon Hall
8. Marlin Jackson
9. Jon Jansen
10. Larry Foote
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Ten Favorite (and best) Players

1. Braylon Edwards
2. Steve Hutchinson
3. Charles Woodson
4. David Harris
5. LaMarr Woodley
6. Tom Brady
7. Leon Hall
8. Marlin Jackson
9. Jon Jansen
10. Larry Foote
pretty random list, i don't see anything in common among them
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