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Old 06-27-2008, 04:56 PM    (permalink
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I brushed this list to the wayside as soon as I read it, obviously these aren't the top 50 NFL players they are HIS favorite players, and the players he dislikes didn't make the list...The fact that Romo, Terrance Newman, and Witten didn't make the list tells me all I need to know.


I could live with Romo and an argument could be made if you choose to make one, but Newman and Jason Witten? Thats flat out ridiculous.
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I like the list decent enough...personally I think upside should be considered in lists like this because football is such a different game each and every year.

Theres just so much variation in year to year performance for non-uber elites that age, natural athleticism, and physical tools kind of have to be meshed with past performance for analysis. For example...Mario Williams is a top 10 player in the league on the list...is anyone really going to argue that give his performance last season as well as the likeliness to match or even top that this year and years afterward?

Bob Sanders being in the top 10 is just disturbing to me...he's not even the best safety in football but he's one of the top 10 players in the league? I don't even think he's *close* to the best safety in the NFL either...like wtf. It's just crazy to think this guy is a top 10 player in the league and Kerry Rhoes can't even make the top 50...

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And 4-3 outside linebackers never get their due.
actually, i'd say not having Hall in the top 50 is pretty accurate.
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3 eagles isn't too bad. I do think Brian Westbrook is too low though.
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I like the list decent enough...personally I think upside should be considered in lists like this because football is such a different game each and every year.

Theres just so much variation in year to year performance for non-uber elites that age, natural athleticism, and physical tools kind of have to be meshed with past performance for analysis. For example...Mario Williams is a top 10 player in the league on the list...is anyone really going to argue that give his performance last season as well as the likeliness to match or even top that this year and years afterward?

Bob Sanders being in the top 10 is just disturbing to me...he's not even the best safety in football but he's one of the top 10 players in the league? I don't even think he's *close* to the best safety in the NFL either...like wtf. It's just crazy to think this guy is a top 10 player in the league and Kerry Rhoes can't even make the top 50...
If I'm not mistaking Sanders was last years defensive MVP, kinda makes a point of him being one of the defensive guys around full stop, not saying that he couldn't be lower but waying its strange is pushing it way to far. Also I want to stress as said before that Brees could probably rise a couple of places IMO. Mainly though I just thought that Osi got way to little love and that the pats perhaps had a bit to much love
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Happy to see four Vikings on there. I think Tony Romo should have made the top 50.
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If I'm not mistaking Sanders was last years defensive MVP, kinda makes a point of him being one of the defensive guys around full stop, not saying that he couldn't be lower but waying its strange is pushing it way to far. Also I want to stress as said before that Brees could probably rise a couple of places IMO. Mainly though I just thought that Osi got way to little love and that the pats perhaps had a bit to much love
Ware, Allen, Kevin/Pat/Mario Williams, Kerney, and even Trent Cole had an argument over Sanders...and I think most of those guys (Ware, Allen, Kerney esp) had better overall seasons than Sanders.
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Happy to see four Vikings on there. I think Tony Romo should have made the top 50.
I like romo a lot and I think he's a very productive QB but I doubt I'd want him running my 2 minute drill in the playoffs or superbowl.
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I like romo a lot and I think he's a very productive QB but I doubt I'd want him running my 2 minute drill in the playoffs or superbowl.
I like how everybody harps on that so much, but since when do you judge a QB on how he fares his 1st two trips to the playoffs in his 1st two years starting? Hell how did Peyton manning look his 1st two trips to the playoffs? How about Eli? People act like Romo is a 10 year vet sometimes whose been to the playoffs countless times, his first playoff trip he didn't even start the year as the starter, this past year he looked alot better then people give him credit for which shows some people just didn't watch the game...Crayton screwed up a would be TD, same with Curtis, Romo made some bad decisions on his own of course he wasn't perfect, but he played good enough for us to win the game, once guys started dropping passes he started to force throws...Either way its too early in his career to be making statements like these, unless Cowboys players get held to a different standard then other QB's.
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I like how everybody harps on that so much, but since when do you judge a QB on how he fares his 1st two trips to the playoffs in his 1st two years starting? Hell how did Peyton manning look his 1st two trips to the playoffs? How about Eli? People act like Romo is a 10 year vet sometimes whose been to the playoffs countless times, his first playoff trip he didn't even start the year as the starter, this past year he looked alot better then people give him credit for which shows some people just didn't watch the game...Crayton screwed up a would be TD, same with Curtis, Romo made some bad decisions on his own of course he wasn't perfect, but he played good enough for us to win the game, once guys started dropping passes he started to force throws...Either way its too early in his career to be making statements like these, unless Cowboys players get held to a different standard then other QB's.
maybe its too early in his career to be a top 50 player then?

To be honest, I could go either way with Romo, if he cracked top 50 - cool. if not, whatever. But you can't have it both ways; if he's making mistakes because he's too young, then its possible he's just to young to be a top 50 player yet. Maybe in 2-3 years he'll even be considered a top 3-5 QB, but for now I think people are going off of the fact that 1 great season doesn't make you a great player.
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maybe its too early in his career to be a top 50 player then?

To be honest, I could go either way with Romo, if he cracked top 50 - cool. if not, whatever. But you can't have it both ways; if he's making mistakes because he's too young, then its possible he's just to young to be a top 50 player yet. Maybe in 2-3 years he'll even be considered a top 3-5 QB, but for now I think people are going off of the fact that 1 great season doesn't make you a great player.

I already said I understand him not making the top 50, thats fine, I was responding more to the 2 minute drill comment and his playoff experience up to this point more then this list...I'm all for people not wanting to anoint him quite yet, but people seem like they forget that majority of QB's struggle their first few trips to the post season, and Romo's always gets overblown.
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Ware, Allen, Kevin/Pat/Mario Williams, Kerney, and even Trent Cole had an argument over Sanders...and I think most of those guys (Ware, Allen, Kerney esp) had better overall seasons than Sanders.
I just disagree here, you an think that they might have an edge but to straightout claim they are better no questions asked is just weird. Sanders was quite of a consensus Def. MVP and saved a defense that sincerely lacked pass rush due to the injury to freeney(who is to high imo)
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No DeAngelo Hall is bull.

And 4-3 outside linebackers never get their due.

Ding, ding, ding. According to his just missed list, he'd have all somewhere around the 7th or 8th best corner in the league. That just couldn't be more wrong. Hall not being in the top 50 is definately a gripe I have.
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Mario is ranked a little high for me.
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adrian peterson above over about 30 nfl veterans ? regardless of position ? thats funny at least
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adrian peterson above over about 30 nfl veterans ? regardless of position ? thats funny at least
wats funny about it? the guy has been NFL ready since high school and just put on one of the dominant rookie performances in recent memory. Assuming he stays healthy, I see no reason why he cant justify that position. I think this is more a "50 Best players RIGHT NOW" not 50 best based on pedigree. His position is warranted, because hes currently better and arguably more valuable then the people hes higher than.
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wats funny about it? the guy has been NFL ready since high school and just put on one of the dominant rookie performances in recent memory. Assuming he stays healthy, I see no reason why he cant justify that position. I think this is more a "50 Best players RIGHT NOW" not 50 best based on pedigree. His position is warranted, because hes currently better and arguably more valuable then the people hes higher than.

i have a tough time , accepting your description .... all these guys put up great numbers year in and year out since about a couple of years. all were good highschool or collegeplayers at some time and i canīt guarantee for sure , that there were not nfl ready in high school already (what isnīt argument , since we rating nfl players actually ) .

nothing against peterson , but let him do this stuff a couple of years before he is rated above players like andre johnson , steven jackson or for homers sake drew brees.
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i sometimes wonder if people watch games before they make comments.....

Saying Peterson isn't a top 50 player is pretty funny to me. Did anyone see what he did? He isn't your average rookie, and to hold that against him just doesn't make sense. His talent level, and production (check the record book for clarification) show that he belongs. He is a world-class athlete and top notch competitor. He has a build that can run over you, or fly past you. You are not going to catch him in a foot race. He's plain and simple an elite talent and justified it with him rookie (yes, the fact that it was his ROOKIE season should make it all the more impressive) season. Not sure what more to say, i find it hard to argue against having him in there.....
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How are Palmer and Big Ben that high on the list?
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i have a tough time , accepting your description .... all these guys put up great numbers year in and year out since about a couple of years. all were good highschool or collegeplayers at some time and i canīt guarantee for sure , that there were not nfl ready in high school already (what isnīt argument , since we rating nfl players actually ) .

nothing against peterson , but let him do this stuff a couple of years before he is rated above players like andre johnson , steven jackson or for homers sake drew brees.
what i was talking about with Peterson and his high school was the whole debacle where he wanted to declare for the NFL after high school, and he wasnt allowed. He was NFL ready, or at least some thought he was, straight out of high school. Just look wat he did his freshman year in college.

Its all fine and dandy to say andre johnson, steven jackson, or drew brees are better players then adrian peterson, but based upon last season, they arent. And like I said, i believe hes baseing his opinion on the players current status, not their pedigree. Who cares if they put up good numbers 3 seasons ago? 3 seasons ago, ray lewis was a dominant interior force, but he isnt on this list. This is a what have you done for me lately league, and lately Adrian Peterson right now is a better player then the guys you listed.


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Saying Peterson isn't a top 50 player is pretty funny to me. Did anyone see what he did? He isn't your average rookie, and to hold that against him just doesn't make sense. His talent level, and production (check the record book for clarification) show that he belongs. He is a world-class athlete and top notch competitor. He has a build that can run over you, or fly past you. You are not going to catch him in a foot race. He's plain and simple an elite talent and justified it with him rookie (yes, the fact that it was his ROOKIE season should make it all the more impressive) season. Not sure what more to say, i find it hard to argue against having him in there.....
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I think sometimes people let down years cloud their judgement a bit too much Troy Polamalu had injury plagued down year but he is still a definatly top 50 player in the NFL.

Edit:Also I don't like Ladanian Tomlinson at #3, QBs get all the love. However in my mind Ladanian Tomlinson is without a doubt the best football player in the NFL.

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Dwayne Bowe not in top 10 WTF. FRAUD!
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I just dont get how you can compare players, I mean I would have a hard time putting together a Top50. You cant compare a great QB with a great LT. And you shouldn't be. Thats why i think these Top50 should be made for every single position not for the whole NFL.
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nothing against peterson , but let him do this stuff a couple of years before he is rated above players like andre johnson , steven jackson or for homers sake drew brees.
Thats funny how you will hold that against Peterson, yet its like you forgot how Drew Brees started off his career in San Diego...So just a few good seasons from him means he should be ranked higher?
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