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Old 07-02-2008, 03:35 PM    (permalink
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Not really. I hate the hype we are getting. I don't think we are a Super Bowl team. I think we can get to the playoffs and win one or two games, but we still have too many holes. I do however think we are the team to beat in the division.
This reminds me of Cards fans who thought they were a playoff team every season because of a handful of players they acquired. A team that could only be described as bad last year is suddenly the team to beat in the division? Over last year's youngest team that went to the NFC Conference championship? Yes, Favre is a loss but that offence is still leagues better than what the Vikings are going to put on the field.
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How are the Vikings better? Did you watch them play last season? AD and a good defence were all they had. The Packers had an elite offence, defence, and special teams.


If you honestly think they still have an elite offense without Favre your kidding yourself.

AD himself makes it a pretty solid offense, and T-Jack made solid improvements throughout the season. The offense doesn't need to be great if you have the kind of talent we have on D.
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This reminds me of Cards fans who thought they were a playoff team every season because of a handful of players they acquired. A team that could only be described as bad last year is suddenly the team to beat in the division? Over last year's youngest team that went to the NFC Conference championship? Yes, Favre is a loss but that offence is still leagues better than what the Vikings are going to put on the field.

We were one game away from the playoffs last year, that's hardly "bad." I don't see how the addition of one of the best pass rushers in the game can't put us over the top, when that was the only thing holding us back from being a top 3 defense.
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Packers are still a better team top to bottom than the Vikings, even without Favre.
QB - Even (Yeah Jackson sucks, but no one on the Packers are proven in the least bit)
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DB - Packers (The Packers sport two quality CBs, but if Al Harris plays like he did in the NFC Championship game, their secondary will struggle. The Vikings have some very nice youth in Griffin and McCauley, but they really need consistency for their secondary to be better than the Packers.)

Ok, quick run down on my comparisons of the 2 teams. They are actually fairly even when you compare the teams, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings finish with a better record than the Packers.
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If you honestly think they still have an elite offense without Favre your kidding yourself.

AD himself makes it a pretty solid offense, and T-Jack made solid improvements throughout the season. The offense doesn't need to be great if you have the kind of talent we have on D.
They looked pretty good with Rodgers at the helm in the Dallas game. All Rodgers needs to do is throw short passes and not make mistakes, just like Favre did all last season.

You're right, AD is a great player and if healthy gives some offence some legitimacy. Unfortunately, Jackson is probably the worst starting quarterback in the league, the offensive line can't pass block, and the receivers are mediocre at best. Not sure how that translates to being the "team to beat", but OK.

Green Bay's defence is just as good, if not better than the Vikings.
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WeakER. No one ever said they were weak at positions, someone said they were better top to bottom than the Vikings.
We are comparing the two teams not analyzing one team.
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We were one game away from the playoffs last year, that's hardly "bad." I don't see how the addition of one of the best pass rushers in the game can't put us over the top, when that was the only thing holding us back from being a top 3 defense.
Your pass rush was not holding you back. Your offense was. Until that passing game works, the Vikings are terrible and will continue to miss the playoffs.
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Your pass rush was not holding you back. Your offense was. Until that passing game works, the Vikings are terrible and will continue to miss the playoffs.
Bernard Berrian will help tremendously in the passing game. Plus, JDB will have some time to shine this year!!!! (jk)
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Instead of looking at certain sections of an offense and defense how about you analyze them as a whole.
The Vikings D > Packers D, despite what you have typed above.
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Your pass rush was not holding you back. Your offense was. Until that passing game works, the Vikings are terrible and will continue to miss the playoffs.


I said it was holding back our defense, do you even read what I'm typing? No matter how you feel about the Vikings, we aren't terrible, even your fellow Packer fans will tell you that. You are just a giant homer if you honestly think that.
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Bernard Berrian will help tremendously in the passing game. Plus, JDB will have some time to shine this year!!!! (jk)
Berrian is a nice deep threat but I'm not sold Jackson can get him the ball, considering he has trouble simply taking a 3-step drop. He looks like a high school quarterback out there. No fundamentals at all.
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Instead of looking at certain sections of an offense and defense how about you analyze them as a whole.
The Vikings D > Packers D, despite what you have typed above.
The Vikings D-line is much better than the Packers, but as a whole, the Packers are a better defense. They have more depth and aren't necessarily weak at any 1 position. The Vikings have the opportunity to be a better defense this year with all of the youth they have in the secondary, but at this moment, the Packers have the nod.
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Instead of looking at certain sections of an offense and defense how about you analyze them as a whole.
The Vikings D > Packers D, despite what you have typed above.
Not last year, that's for sure. Packers were one of the elite units in the league, Vikings were middle of the pack at best.
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Not last year, that's for sure. Packers were one of the elite units in the league, Vikings were middle of the pack at best.


We aren't talking about last year. We're talking about this year. We weren't elite because of our lack of a pass rush, which we now have.
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The pass rush dictates a defense. (see Giants/Pats SB)
The Vikings have by far the best 4 man front pass rush.
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I said it was holding back our defense, do you even read what I'm typing? No matter how you feel about the Vikings, we aren't terrible, even your fellow Packer fans will tell you that. You are just a giant homer if you honestly think that.
Vikings only won games last year based on the strength of AD. He was far important to your few successes than Favre was to Green Bay's. Green Bay is a proven championship contender, the Vikings are a team hoping that all of their pieces work out and they can earn a playoff birth. Everything is rosey for teams like the Vikings in July but it will all change when reality hits around October.
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WeakER. No one ever said they were weak at positions, someone said they were better top to bottom than the Vikings.
We are comparing the two teams not analyzing one team.
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It's not just what we did. It's who the Packers lost. Without Favre, you are an 8-8 team.
If the Packers are a .500 team without a hall of fame one of the greatest of all time quarterbacks behind center, they need to have some sort of glaring weakness on their roster somewhere. I want to know where that is. Okay, since I know they don't actually have one, I'd actually like to know where yo thinks it is. So I can laugh.


Btw, "unproven" and "proven to be bad" doesn't make two QB situations even.
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We aren't talking about last year. We're talking about this year. We weren't elite because of our lack of a pass rush, which we now have.
So the Vikings might be as good as the Packers defensively, are almost assuredly worse offensively, and are unproven overall yet they are the favourites to win the division?
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Sorry, I quoted the wrong post.



If the Packers are a .500 team without a hall of fame one of the greatest of all time quarterbacks behind center, they need to have some sort of glaring weakness on their roster somewhere. I want to know where that is. Okay, since I know they don't actually have one, I'd actually like to know where yo thinks it is. So I can laugh.


Btw, "unproven" and "proven to be bad" doesn't make two QB situations even.

As of now you have a weakness on offense. What has Aaron Rodgers proven? Nothing. No, one game does not count. Is Ryan Grant for real? I tend to think so, but Packers fans seem a little too convinced after one half of a season.
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So the Vikings might be as good as the Packers defensively, are almost assuredly worse offensively, and are unproven overall yet they are the favourites to win the division?
They are better defensively. If Tavaris Jackson kept them off the field for more than 2 minutes at a time last year you would have seen that.

But yeah, Paper champs as of now.
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As of now you have a weakness on offense. What has Aaron Rodgers proven? Nothing. No, one game does not count.
And thats going to be enough with the surrounding cast to cost the Packers five games?

Oh, and why doesn't the one game where we actually got to see Aaron Rodgers play count?
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This guy is obviously off, however; ever since the Vikings made that trade Vikings fans have been acting like they're the Patriots. Very annoying.
What the hell are you talking about. All Vikings fans claim is he will make the defense much better. It is Packer fans who act like blind homers and claim they will win the Superbowl every year.
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