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Old 07-04-2008, 03:53 PM    (permalink
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1. Patriots
Tom Brady already had the rings, and now he has the stats (including an NFL-record 50 TD passes). No one is better. Rookie Kevin O'Connell could eventually replace Matt Cassel as the No. 2, but not this year.

2. Colts
With his remarkable accuracy and complete mental command of the game, Peyton Manning is right there with Brady--and he has never missed a start. Jim Sorgi has been adequate in his rare opportunities to play.

3. Steelers
Ben Roethlisberger took more control of the offense last season, calling all the protection changes and audibles. Veteran backup Charlie Batch can make big plays. Rookie Dennis Dixon is the likely No. 3.

4. Bengals
Carson Palmer's combination of accuracy, arm strength, field vision and leadership makes him an elite player. He must improve his ball security. Backup Ryan Fitzpatrick is tough and knows how to avoid pressure.

5. Chargers
At the end of last year , Philip Rivers was increasingly productive and limited his mistakes. After ACL surgery in January, he should be completely ready for training camp. Billy Volek is a proven backup.

6. Browns
Derek Anderson has a quick release but must improve his completion percentage and reduce his untimely interceptions. Brady Quinn has rare leadership skills and con_ dence and could step in if Anderson slips.

7. Broncos
Jay Cutler has regained the nearly 30 pounds he lost with the onset of diabetes, which left him sapped last season. He must learn to check down more and take fewer chances. Patrick Ramsey is a capable backup.

8. Jaguars
David Garrard has excellent mobility and a nice touch on short and midrange passes. He is working to improve on deep throws. Both backups, Cleo Lemon and Todd Bouman, have NFL starting experience.

9. Texans
Matt Schaub lacks mobility but can get out of jams when necessary and has a strong arm. His inability to avoid hits and injuries is a concern. Sage Rosenfels went 4-1 last season, which means a controversy will be swirling if Schaub gets off to a slow start.

10. Titans
Vince Young took a step back last year, so the Titans are trying to fix his footwork, among other things. Young has worked hard and is making progress. Kerry Collins is a capable, experienced backup.

11. Jets
Chad Pennington is a savvy veteran who generally manages games well. Kellen Clemens has a stronger arm, but his pocket presence is shaky. Their battle for the starting job will spill into the preseason.

12. Bills
Trent Edwards was a revelation as a rookie. He gets rid of the ball quickly and accurately but must improve his ability to read defenses. J.P. Losman's decision making is a big reason he lost the starting job to Edwards.

13. Raiders
Strong-armed JaMarcus Russell is still struggling to make up for lost time after a long holdout last summer. His talent far exceeds that of experienced backups Andrew Walter and Marques Tuiasosopo.

14. Ravens
Starter Kyle Boller makes poor decisions, especially in the red zone, and has never established himself as a leader. Like Boller, backup Troy Smith has accuracy issues. Rookie Joe Flacco is a year away.

15. Chiefs
Brodie Croyle is winless in six starts, but his growth has been slowed by a spotty running game and weak blocking. If he falters, the team could turn to the inexperienced Tyler Thigpen or veteran Damon Huard.

16. Dolphins
The competition for the starting job between John Beck and Josh McCown is wide-open. Beck is the more accurate passer, but McCown is bigger, stronger and more experienced. Rookie Chad Henne is the No. 3.
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Only a couple things I would change here. I would move the Jaguars above the Browns & Broncos. Than I would move the Bills above the Titans.
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=O, Who said that Kyle Boller is the starter?
Troy Smith and accuracy issues? How can the best QB in the NFL have accuracy issues? With Troy Smith on the roster, Baltimore should be #1! :D
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Derek Anderson is way too high, not putting them above the Broncos for sure...Agree with Steelers above the Bengals though...I would put the Browns behind the Broncos and Jags.
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Good place for the Jets. Combine strengths of Clemens and Pennington and you have a top 5 QB. Unfortunately now you just have 2 mediocre QBs
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Jags should be higher. I would take Garrard over at least Cutler and Anderson...backups included. Cutler and Anderson could stand to prove a little more imo
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Jags should be at 6, Broncos at 7, and Cleveland at 8. Also Bills at 11 and Jets at 12.
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DA's completion pct. wasn't that great, but that was mostly b/c he was throwing downfield a lot more than what QBs do in the west coast or similar to west coast offenses. Brady Quinn as the top of the line backup is why we're at 6, not just b/c Anderson threw for freakin' 29 TDs last year.
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I knew the Bills and Jets would be back to back, it makes sense. Clemens isn't my favorite, but Trent needs to show more.
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DA's completion pct. wasn't that great, but that was mostly b/c he was throwing downfield a lot more than what QBs do in the west coast or similar to west coast offenses. Brady Quinn as the top of the line backup is why we're at 6, not just b/c Anderson threw for freakin' 29 TDs last year.
So what, they still don't deserve to be higher then the Jags or the Broncos right now...Quinn is a top of the line backup? Thats awesome, are David Carr and Harrington top of the line backups too since they were 1st rd picks? Or maybe Quinn has done something else in his career to be considered top of the line and make their ranking so much better.
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personally think that cinci should be above pitt, not that big ben is bad but c'mon Palmer is the third best qb in the whole game. to bad his defense and running game and actually everything but his wr's suck.
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personally think that cinci should be above pitt, not that big ben is bad but c'mon Palmer is the third best qb in the whole game. to bad his defense and running game and actually everything but his wr's suck.
Charlie Batch can step in and win games without the offense slowing up, the same cannot be said for Fitzpatrick, and since its a team rankings, Cincy shouldn't be above Pitt.
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I hate it how the popular perception is VY took a "step back" in 07. He didn't, not even close. He was a better passer in 07 than in 06 without a doubt - the fact he improved his completion % by 11% and YPA at the same time reinforces that. He just wasn't *as* improved as some expected (arguably unrealistic at that) and didn't take many steps forward, but he certainly didn't get worse and go backwards. There are many reasons beyond VY's own performance why his TD:INT ratio was what it was, and despite this he still had a better QB rating and he had far more 80+ rating games. In fact outside of that ratio, he improved in every other passing stat, and any Titans fan will tell you he improved a lot on his shorter throws in 07. I think people forget just how terrible a passer he was as a rookie the majority of the time.

He did, however, go backwards as a scrambler, but he did have a quad injury lingering most of the year and it was obvious from day one in 2007 that Chow was trying to limit Young's use of legs compared to 06. If anything, the limited mobility in 07 and yet improving as a passer, slight as it may have been, only proves how much a better passer he was. I can't imagine how bad he would have been in 06 without full use of his mobility.

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I would take Any teams Quarterback situation before I took the Jets.
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Sweet, Chiefs 15 and not 16.
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i will straight up trade you grossman for pennington if thats the case. no lie.
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I really still think Peyton Manning is better QB than Tom Brady. I think his play this season will show it. But of course this is my opinion, and I have no real facts.
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Derek Anderson is way too high, not putting them above the Broncos for sure...Agree with Steelers above the Bengals though...I would put the Browns behind the Broncos and Jags.
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Charlie Batch can step in and win games without the offense slowing up, the same cannot be said for Fitzpatrick, and since its a team rankings, Cincy shouldn't be above Pitt.
If it not mainly about the starter than Indy should be ahead of NE, I am kinda split even between Brady & manning and Cassel is just the most awfull backup in the entire league.
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If it not mainly about the starter than Indy should be ahead of NE, I am kinda split even between Brady & manning and Cassel is just the most awfull backup in the entire league.
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So what, they still don't deserve to be higher then the Jags or the Broncos right now...Quinn is a top of the line backup? Thats awesome, are David Carr and Harrington top of the line backups too since they were 1st rd picks? Or maybe Quinn has done something else in his career to be considered top of the line and make their ranking so much better.
Broncos? Their QB play has not been on par with Cleveland's and I doubt it will be this year either with no #2 receiver and an O-Line that is being rebuilt. Jacksonville I can see, Garrard is very good even though he doesn't put up gaudy stats. But top 7 are certainly NE, IND, CIN, PIT, JAC, CLE, SD imo. Brady Quinn has been very impressive in practices and mini camps, I have no doubt that he will have a better career than Anderson. In fact I don't think his numbers would be much worse if he started this year, but DA has earned his job.
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Carson/the Bengals too low...Palmer alone makes them #3.

Theres a few guys...Cutler...Garrard...Schaub...I would take over Derek Anderson. He gets scared easy and he's not the most accurate QB. Yes, I do realize he can and probably will calm down with more experience, but for now I think he's a product of a great all around offense.
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Carson/the Bengals too low...Palmer alone makes them #3.

Theres a few guys...Cutler...Garrard...Schaub...I would take over Derek Anderson. He gets scared easy and he's not the most accurate QB. Yes, I do realize he can and probably will calm down with more experience, but for now I think he's a product of a great all around offense.
You would take Cutler and Shaub over Anderson? You're insane.. Look at what he did in his first season as a starter, compared to both of those two.

Garrard is more understandable, but can lean on the running attack more than anything.
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You would take Cutler and Shaub over Anderson? You're insane.. Look at what he did in his first season as a starter, compared to both of those two.

Garrard is more understandable, but can lean on the running attack more than anything.
Anderson has his godly offense line and great receiving threats to lean on. Something he hasn't succeeded without.

Carry on.
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Why is Jim Sorgi at number 2?

Don't get it.
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