The Official G-Men 2009 NFL Draft Thread

[skiinginNJ]

cushing is simply a way better LB than kiwi, but i dont see them moving kiwi back to LB anyway.


another thing to remember about cushing is that he has experience playing DE, and also has the size to possibly put his hand down on 3rd down. not an ideal situation, but certainly plausible. he has a lot of experience going after the QB too, so he would fit perfectly in our system. i dont see us taking a DE in round 1 unless someone really drops, since DE is strong on our team and our LB's outside pierce are pretty much JAG's


the injury concerns could be a problem, but at 28-32 he would be a sick pick. i also think he is going to blow up the combine, so i dont know if he will even be there when we pick

[giantsfan]

Originally Posted by skiinginNJ

cushing is simply a way better LB than kiwi, but i dont see them moving kiwi back to LB anyway.

another thing to remember about cushing is that he has experience playing DE, and also has the size to possibly put his hand down on 3rd down. not an ideal situation, but certainly plausible. he has a lot of experience going after the QB too, so he would fit perfectly in our system. i dont see us taking a DE in round 1 unless someone really drops, since DE is strong on our team and our LB's outside pierce are pretty much JAG's


the injury concerns could be a problem, but at 28-32 he would be a sick pick. i also think he is going to blow up the combine, so i dont know if he will even be there when we pick

With the way Kiwi was looking before Osi's injury and how well he's been playing I think kiwi has to be in the starting lineup. Plus I'm not sure Kiwi isn't better than cush at everything except for covering guys, if the light had really come on interms of reading the run like it looked.

Again I like cush a lot and won't complain but I think grabbing a Selvie, mays, oghobaase or Meredith could very well be a much better value.

[skiinginNJ]

Originally Posted by giantsfan

With the way Kiwi was looking before Osi's injury and how well he's been playing I think kiwi has to be in the starting lineup. Plus I'm not sure Kiwi isn't better than cush at everything except for covering guys, if the light had really come on interms of reading the run like it looked.

Again I like cush a lot and won't complain but I think grabbing a Selvie, mays, oghobaase or Meredith could very well be a much better value.

well kiwi has looked very good at DE, but he still had a long way to go as a LB. cushing (predictably since he actually plays LB) is really better at everything at the LB position than kiwi (except for possibly rushing the passer). he is better in coverage, he is much more fluid and changes directions better, and he has better instincts.

Kiwi has been very good at DE this year, but DE and LB are different positions and i just dont see them going back to that experiment. i think the only reason they really did it was because they had 3 DE's to rotate already so adding a 4th would restrict his development. i think they will just rotate all 3 in and out to keep them fresh and healthy

[bigbluedefense]

i wouldn't touch Cushing. too injury prone. i think Kiwi was making huge strides at LB, and I think we move him back there when Osi comes back.

Im hoping Hardy or Selvie fall, if not, then we probably go BA LB in round 1.

Michael Johnson is developing fast enough that Im taking SS off our board in the first 2 rounds.


Don't sleep on CBs though. If we lose Webster, CB instantly becomes our biggest need.

If we lose both Jacobs and Ward, we need a RB as well.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

i wouldn't touch Cushing. too injury prone. i think Kiwi was making huge strides at LB, and I think we move him back there when Osi comes back.

Im hoping Hardy or Selvie fall, if not, then we probably go BA LB in round 1.

Michael Johnson is developing fast enough that Im taking SS off our board in the first 2 rounds.


Don't sleep on CBs though. If we lose Webster, CB instantly becomes our biggest need.

If we lose both Jacobs and Ward, we need a RB as well.

If we lose Webster, or even if we don't, I would LOVE to draft Darius Butler from UConn. He's physical, has blazing speed, great hands, he's very fluid in coverage, and he plays the run like a safety.

[bigbluedefense]

Michael Johnson has improved tremendously this year. He's been another great find for us. With him playing the way he has, I think we can remove SS from our need list within the first 2 rounds.

And if anything, we can sign Dawan Landry in FA. So I think SS is slowly becoming a position where we just need depth, not a starter.

LT is another position that we can scratch. We don't talk about it, but David Diehl is a PB caliber LT. He is what Jake Long could become. So now LT is essentially a luxury pick for us, id say its more important to develop a RT prospect to replace McKenzie in the coming years.

I think if you want to pinpoint specific needs right now, assuming we resign all our guys (big if), OLB followed by DT are our 2 major needs.

Letting go of Kawika Mitchell was a mistake. He's beasting it this year for Buffalo, and watching him play, he was perfect for our system and team. We made a mistake letting him go.

Right here right now, id be in favor of going BPA every round but thats assuming we resign all our guys.

I can see CB and RB becoming potential needs for us this offseason. I really hope we don't lose Webster, we need him back. And more than ever, Im convinced that we need Jacobs back too.

[Turtlepower]

I also wonder what we will do with Kiwi because if he moves back to SLB, then I could argue DE being a first day priority. Tollefson has been very unimpressive the past few weeks and I wouldn't mind taking a DE in this amazing DE class.

[bigbluedefense]

Greg Hardy ftw.

Kiwi will play SAM on 1st and 2nd down and DE on 3rd down like our initial plans with him. I doubt that changes.

We need that 4th DE however, and Hardy is so perfect.

I can see Terrance Taylor slipping to round 2. I wouldn't mind nabbing him then. In my eyes, Coffield is nothing more than a solid but not spectacular NT for us.

Taylor would be an upgrade in my eyes.

[Geo]

Taylor has been poor this year. Maybe he needs to get fat again to be effective.

[bigbluedefense]

i really want Greg Hardy to be honest. Id trade our 1st and 2nd to get him. He can beast it at LE, and he's big and strong enough to play UT for us on 3rd down.

I wouldn't even mind having a 4-3 front with him in at UT on all 3 downs. Or move Tuck there on all 3 downs and Hardy outside.

He's big and strong, and fast, and has a motor, great technique, long arms, he's a beast. He's my favorite DE prospect since Mario Williams.

Even if we just use him in sub packages, I can see him having a huge impact on our defense. The thought of having Osi, Tuck, Kiwi and him on the dline on 3rd down is crazy. You can't block that.

I can't see us keeping all of our DEs long term anyway. So once Kiwi's contract is up, we still have Hardy and we can always just draft another DE. Keep em coming and keep stocking them up.

[Geo]

I thought there was some question about Hardy's motor? Or was it character?

Also maybe durability. Has played very little this year because of an earlier injury, but looks like a force when he does get a handful of snaps to pass rush.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Geo

I thought there was some question about Hardy's motor? Or was it character?

Also maybe durability. Has played very little this year because of an earlier injury, but looks like a force when he does get a handful of snaps to pass rush.

character and durability. i heard his character concerns are blown out of proportion, and durability shouldn't be too much of an issue, we'd probably only use him in sub packages anyway.

same goes for motor. because he probably wouldn't be an every down player for us (even though ive never heard of motor issues), limiting his snaps would most likely cure any potential motor issues.

for us its strictly a luxury pick, for certain teams i think a player of his potential is a guy you can't pass up. i honestly don't expect him to fall to us even if we trade to get him, but im just a huge fan of his.

I wouldn't mind George Selvie either. Thats probably more realistic, bc he'll slip do to size concerns. He could bulk up for us while just being a pass rush specialist.

But if i can have any defensive player in this draft, id probably choose Orakpo (no chance in hell), followed by Hardy. Im just a huge Hardy fan.

[Geo]

Check out Florida State DE Everette Brown, if you get the chance. He's quite raw as a pass rusher, but he has real potential imo with pro DL coaching to expand and develop his repertoire and ability. He has a motor.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Geo

Check out Florida State DE Everette Brown, if you get the chance. He's quite raw as a pass rusher, but he has real potential imo with pro DL coaching to expand and develop his repertoire and ability. He has a motor.

will do.

one thing to note when i talk college football is: i rarely really get to watch college football. so my knowledge on prospects is not nearly as vast as some other people here.

my stance on Hardy comes from watching 2 of his games basically, and from judging that i really really like what i see. but im by no means an expert on college football. i don't watch enough of it to be one.

[Geo]

I hear you. I heard about Brown before, but he only came up on my radar in the last three weeks or so when I finally got to see some of him on TV.

[scottyboy]

JUST SAY NO TO SELVIE!!!

I'm warming up to a guy like Hardy though, even Brown. We NEED to re-sign Webster and Jacobs. Like NOW!! They should be our 1a and 1b priorities, with Toomer being 2. Johnson and Phillips are a very nice young safety duo, and snag a Courtney Greene round 2 or 3? AWESOME! Ward is nice, but Jacobs is just so good and perfect for us. We can replace Ward with a RB in rounds 1-4 really. Even later, plus we've got Bradshaw.

Webster, Jacobs and Toomer. Our 3 main guys. Lock 'em up Reese!

[giantsfan]

Originally Posted by Geo

Check out Florida State DE Everette Brown, if you get the chance. He's quite raw as a pass rusher, but he has real potential imo with pro DL coaching to expand and develop his repertoire and ability. He has a motor.

I doubt Brown slips into our range, Personnally I'm getting the feeling that if Michael Johnson doesn't dominate the combine Brown will be the second DE off the board. I'd love to have Hardy but Selvie's incredibly quick and would be a great second option.

If we get a shot at Vince Oghobaase I think he'd be a great pick also, could play NT for us but he's got long arms and a great first step that could make him an effective interior penetrator as well. I really love this kid even though playing at Duke he doesn't get enough hype.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

JUST SAY NO TO SELVIE!!!

I'm warming up to a guy like Hardy though, even Brown. We NEED to re-sign Webster and Jacobs. Like NOW!! They should be our 1a and 1b priorities, with Toomer being 2. Johnson and Phillips are a very nice young safety duo, and snag a Courtney Greene round 2 or 3? AWESOME! Ward is nice, but Jacobs is just so good and perfect for us. We can replace Ward with a RB in rounds 1-4 really. Even later, plus we've got Bradshaw.

Webster, Jacobs and Toomer. Our 3 main guys. Lock 'em up Reese!

What if we didn't sign Toomer to get Britt. That would be quite the dilemma for you.

[bigbluedefense]

i guess WR could potentially be a need </3 :(

[bigbluedefense]

Oh and whats everyone's thoughts on Kaluka Maiava? I like him as a player. He's always around the ball, physical, fast, I think he'd look good in Giant blue.

Isn't he a senior? I don't see him on Scott's board.

[Turtlepower]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

i guess WR could potentially be a need </3 :(

Sammie Stroughter from Oregon State. Not only is he a fantastic receiver and returner, he also just made the PAC-10 All-Academic team. =D

[bigbluedefense]

Yes, I want smart WRs who have hands, great route running, and shut up and play. Is that too much to ask? :(

Oh and speed.

[Turtlepower]

Ok, the more I watch him the more I like him. I wouldn't even mind using the Saints 2nd on him b/c I'm afraid he might not be available at the end of the 2nd.

[bigbluedefense]

No one knows anything about Kaluka Maiava? I saw him against Notre Dame, and he was all over the field. I was very impressed. Thoughts?

[scottyboy]

stroughter is nasty, but he'll fall. Britt with the Saints 2nd or our 1st makes too much sense. keeps a Rutgers boy home, he's big, with great speed and playmaking ability.