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Old 07-20-2008, 08:50 PM    (permalink
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Skins still don't get it.

Plain and simple.
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Jason Taylor and Andre Carter is a guaranteed 20 sacks between them.
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i think the redskins got a great deal!
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True but the NFC East is the best division in football we put 3 in last year and it can happen again . Plus, its not set in stone that the Giants and Cowboys will finish ahead of the Eagles and Redskins, anything can happen its just ludicrous to mock the redskins as a poor football team which they are clearly not.
I agree, I wouldn't call them a bad team, simply a misfortunate team they have suffered through a lot of loses since the whole Sean Taylor incident and they exceeded my expectations last year and it is unfortunate to here about all these injuries, I think that they did what they needed to do to patch it up and may the edition of Taylor makes there already good D a solid force now. You have Andre Carter on one side and Taylor on the other with a solid LB corps, although 2nd round pick was a little hefty
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No matter how much I like Jason Taylor I don't think I'll ever be able to wear a Redskins jersey with Taylor on the back that isn't #21 or 36.
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Jason Taylor and Andre Carter is a guaranteed 20 sacks between them.

If I'm not mistaken though, it will be interesting to see how they play this. Both Carter and Taylor are more of RDE or weakside guys... atleast that's what I though. If so, it's a totally different ballgame as a strongside end and weakside.
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Jason Taylor and Andre Carter is a guaranteed 20 sacks between them.
What is the guarantee on how many extra rushing yards they give up both being on the field?
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What is the guarantee on how many extra rushing yards they give up both being on the field?
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yea, now they're pass rush is nasty now, but what about the run D? not all that good realisticly. This is an average team that would be good in another division, but right now is at best 3rd in the division.

And don't give me the disrespect card for the skins, the Giants made the playoffs 3 years in a row, still got no respect. And despite winning the super bowl still don't have any. The Skins(and mainly Campbell) need to prove something and win consistantly. It's not even like they're all that young a team like the Giants and the don't exactly value the draft all too much
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Since when is Jason Taylor not good against the run?
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IMO the Skins made a great trade. Remember all the talk initially by the Dolphins that they would only take a first rounder.
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If he retires after this year then I think it was a bad deal unless we win the superbowl. If he stays for 2-3, I will welcome this deal because he is worth a 2nd and a 6th and when the skins do have a first rounder they love to trade back. Im thinking they front office thinks this move can put us back in the playoffs which would give us a late first and the redskins love to trade back in the draft when they don't have a high pick or don't see real value in the first so I'm thinking we might be able to get that 2nd back. Good deal for both teams.
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He's already came out and told Zorn/Ceratto that he would remain in DC for at least the last two years of his contract.

Hopefully he sticks to his word.
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He's already came out and told Zorn/Ceratto that he would remain in DC for at least the last two years of his contract.

Hopefully he sticks to his word.
Hey do you know what picks we have in the 09 draft after this?
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Hey do you know what picks we have in the 09 draft after this?
I believe we have...

1st
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th

But for some reason I feel like we don't have a 6th or 7th this year, I'll have to check on that.
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I believe we have...

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3rd
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6th
7th

But for some reason I feel like we don't have a 6th or 7th this year, I'll have to check on that.
I heard Clayton say we still will have 7 so Im wondering where that extra one comes from, he could be wrong though.
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7th

But for some reason I feel like we don't have a 6th or 7th this year, I'll have to check on that.
They'll trade their 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th to the Lions for Roy Williams.
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They'll trade their 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th to the Lions for Roy Williams.
And you'll spend every last one of those picks on WRs.

EDIT: No 4th in 09 due to the clause in the Kendall trade.
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I find it absolutely hilarious that Giants fans are trying to paint the Taylor acquisition in a bad light by pointing to the run defense. Give me a break, are you kiddding me?

Washington's run defense last season was third in the league in average yards per carry (3.7) and fourth in yards per game (91.2). Meanwhile the lackluster pass rush from the front four has been a weakness for the last few years, even with the free agent acquisition of Andre Carter two offseasons ago.

Also glad to see someone mentioned defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery, a 2006 5th round pick who has turned into a gem for them in the interior line. He was the team's best lineman against the run last year, and only Carter made more stops and defeats as per Football Outsiders' play charting.
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Landon Fletcher is an undersized MLB, Taylor is 255 at most and Carter is only small, not a huge upgrade against the run.
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True but the NFC East is the best division in football we put 3 in last year and it can happen again . Plus, its not set in stone that the Giants and Cowboys will finish ahead of the Eagles and Redskins, anything can happen its just ludicrous to mock the redskins as a poor football team which they are clearly not.
I think Redskin fans are in for a shock, they are underestimating the loss of Joe Gibbs as their HC. He kept the games close and as a result they won a few more than maybe any other HC could have done. I think reality will set in this coming season and a playoff contender they won't be. I don't think there is anything that is clear about the Redskins until their new HC proves he can get the job done.
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I find it absolutely hilarious that Giants fans are trying to paint the Taylor acquisition in a bad light by pointing to the run defense. Give me a break, are you kiddding me?
And yet, 2008 is here and it is not 2007.

The Redskins lost one of their base ends to New York (Renaldo Wynn) and just lost their other one to a potentially season ending ACL injury. They're replacing both of them with a 33 year old pass rushing specialist who may be forced to play more snaps that he should for lack of depth.

The Redskins were awesome last year against the run. On paper, they look far weaker this year. There is reason for concern.
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Since when is Jason Taylor not good against the run?
Thank you. Despite what his frame would suggest, Taylor is one of the most complete ends in the league and ranks among the top, even at this age. He is not a designated run stuffer but is good against it.
He should free up Carter to get a lot of sacks if the opposing team decide to double him(which they will do) due to his abilities.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Dolphins run the 4-3 defense not that long ago? What year was that and how did Taylor fare playing with his hands down that entire year? I can't recall how many years they have been using the 3-4 and I was curious in what JT seems to play better in.
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