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Old 07-21-2008, 01:19 PM    (permalink
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Jeremy Shockey has finally gotten his wish.

The Giants have agreed to trade their disgruntled tight end to the New Orleans Saints for a second-round pick and a fifth-round pick, FOXSports.com has learned. The deal is pending league approval, according to a league source.

The compensation is the same the Saints offered New York back in April prior and during to the draft ... and it was turned down.

The move comes one day after Jason Taylor was traded from Miami to New York's NFC East rivals in Washington. According to a report on SI.com, the Giants had held discussions about a three-team trade in which they would have ended up with Taylor, the Saints would have landed Shockey and the Dolphins would have received a pair of draft picks.
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Well, can't say I'm happy or mad with this. I think the value is just about right. Now it is my hope for the Saints to fail miserably and allow us to get a stud DT in round 2. =D
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Im happy with this move.

But disappointed that we didn't make it on draft day. The Saint's 2nd and 5th this year won't be as good as the 2nd and 5th we wouldve gotten on draft day.



Shockey had to go. As good as he is, he had to go.
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Goodbye! Ever since Wellington died, Shockey has become more and more distant.
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On a side note, Ive heard that Kevin Boss has been beasting it in TC. Of course, that doesn't mean anything, but still.


At least we'll know Boss is running the right routes for us and has hands and will ****.

But Ill miss Shockey. He's going to thrive in NO, he's a stud TE who wasn't used right with us.
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Jeremy Shockey should be a great fit if he is healthy. Should be interesting to see if Vilma and Shockey make a big impact in NO this year.
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Now the issue is this:

Will gilbride change our running concepts for this upcoming season?? If I am him I do so, because Boss showed nothing in terms of run blocking! This move makes me mad, because we have no one near Shockey's level to seal the edge in our running scheme. Jacobs blew without Shockey inthere. In fact without Shockey only player to stay consistent was Bradshaw! And.. Jacobs is seeking a new contract. Now this all gets interesting!
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Until he can start to play through injuries or not get injured, everyone will think of what he could've been.
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Now the issue is this:

Will gilbride change our running concepts for this upcoming season?? If I am him I do so, because Boss showed nothing in terms of run blocking! This move makes me mad, because we have no one near Shockey's level to seal the edge in our running scheme. Jacobs blew without Shockey inthere. In fact without Shockey only player to stay consistent was Bradshaw! And.. Jacobs is seeking a new contract. Now this all gets interesting!
give it time. Boss had all offseason and TC to get better at blocking.


you can always teach blocking. But teaching Shockey how to shut up, run the right routes and come develop team chemistry is a lost cause. Thats why Im in favor of this move if it has happened.
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Will gilbride change our running concepts for this upcoming season?? If I am him I do so, because Boss showed nothing in terms of run blocking! This move makes me mad, because we have no one near Shockey's level to seal the edge in our running scheme. Jacobs blew without Shockey inthere. In fact without Shockey only player to stay consistent was Bradshaw! And.. Jacobs is seeking a new contract. Now this all gets interesting!
I think he'll have to. Shockey was the most important block in their bread and butter run plays.
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give it time. Boss had all offseason and TC to get better at blocking.


you can always teach blocking. But teaching Shockey how to shut up, run the right routes and come develop team chemistry is a lost cause. Thats why Im in favor of this move if it has happened.
Yeah you can teach the fundementals of it, but can he do it at a high level? That's the issue. This has been an issue I have been most vocal about. Also the fact I coach that positions makes me even more involved in this situation.

Boss showed nothing at run blocking! He was piss poor at it, and thus Jacobs sucked in the playoffs. Now Jacobs wants a huge contract, and now I am even more against it. Gilbride needs to chalk it up differently now that Shockey is gone, IF he plans on using Jacobs. Bradshaw showed no matter what the deal was he was still consistent, but I don't trust Jacobs, in the SAME system, if Gilbride doesn't change anything.
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Vilma and Shockey in one offseason? :o

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Yeah you can teach the fundementals of it, but can he do it at a high level? That's the issue. This has been an issue I have been most vocal about. Also the fact I coach that positions makes me even more involved in this situation.

Boss showed nothing at run blocking! He was piss poor at it, and thus Jacobs sucked in the playoffs. Now Jacobs wants a huge contract, and now I am even more against it. Gilbride needs to chalk it up differently now that Shockey is gone, IF he plans on using Jacobs. Bradshaw showed no matter what the deal was he was still consistent, but I don't trust Jacobs, in the SAME system, if Gilbride doesn't change anything.
Breathe...it will be okay lol.

Theyll definitely adjust. And Im confident that Boss will get stronger and better at blocking. Shockey developed into a blocker, he wasn't a good one out of the gate.

Boss is a solid 272 now. Of muscle. Im confident in Boss. We'll be fine.
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Yes because crutches on the field are a realistic option...playing through a broken leg is definately a smart decision career wise :/ Shockey played through all kinds of injuries and all kinds of pain. If you want to see a little ***** TE, look at guys like Todd Heap, not Shockey. Shockey is one of the toughest guys in the league, good for the Saints and the Giants for getting this deal done, looks about even both ways. Although BBD was right, they should have pulled the trigger on this on draft day, because the way thing are looking the Saints could make a major push this year.
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Shockey is gonna have a break out year in NO. He's going to establish himself as a top 3 TE in the league easily if he can stay healthy.


It was a good move for both sides. We've been using him wrong for years, and he's been detrimental to our lockerroom, and the Saints get a weapon.

For us its addition by subtraction, and for the Saints, they add more firepower.
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Breathe...it will be okay lol.

Theyll definitely adjust. And Im confident that Boss will get stronger and better at blocking. Shockey developed into a blocker, he wasn't a good one out of the gate.

Boss is a solid 272 now. Of muscle. Im confident in Boss. We'll be fine.
Yeah, I will start breathing once I see Boss in a game, and us running 38 power without Boss getting his jock thrown around. If I see him engage and actually get push, then I will breath and do a dance! Until then, I will be watching Boss's every move! Every move he makes, every step he takes, I will be watching him! : P
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Yeah, I will start breathing once I see Boss in a game, and us running 38 power without Boss getting his jock thrown around. If I see him engage and actually get push, then I will breath and do a dance! Until then, I will be watching Boss's every move! Every move he makes, every step he takes, I will be watching him! : P
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if only the Saints had a second option at WR and a healthy Deuce. that could be the greatest offense since the San Diego SuperChargers' Air Coryell Attack in terms of a great run game and extremely potent air game. (pats were all air.)
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Its a good year to get extra picks towards the top of the draft. DT seems like it could be strong with the right underclassmen.

The Saints have now moved into the small group of Super Bowl contenders in the NFC in my opinion. They finally have a reliable over the middle target for Drew Brees that they had been lacking as of late. They also get a strong blocker on the edge to help Bush get to the outside.
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LOL. Mickey Loomis just outplayed Reese a bit here imo.

Got to draft Tracy Porter in the draft AND still got Shockey. We basically have no draft next year, though. No 2nd rounder (Giants - Shockey) and no 3rd rounder (Jets - Vilma). Playoff push imo.
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if only the Saints had a second option at WR and a healthy Deuce. that could be the greatest offense since the San Diego SuperChargers' Air Coryell Attack in terms of a great run game and extremely potent air game. (pats were all air.)
David Patten compliments Marques Colston just fine. And, we still have an unknown talent in Robert Meachem so we'll see how that goes. Deuce... I'm not so worried about. I believe in Pierre Thomas.
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