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Old 07-27-2008, 05:51 PM    (permalink
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yea Hester > Jordan ;)
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He absolutely deserves it. One of the, if not the most, explosive players in the league without a doubt. God I wish he wasn't in our division.
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Any return he makes is equivalent to catching a 30-yard pass on offense.
Wouldn't it be a 15-yard pass on offense, since that was his average yardage on punt returns last year?

Anywho, I think it's a lot of money to tie up on a special teams player but clearly he has a big impact on their team. Ultimately it's hard to pay a guy that kind of dough without him contributing on offense as well, and to be honest, I doubt Hester ever really breaks out there like he has on special teams. Hopefully for the Bears that means he'll fail to make a number of these incentives and the contract price will be lower.
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Does Jordan hold the rookie return records?
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He got as much guaranteed money as Colston. That's BS.
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He got as much guaranteed money as Colston. That's BS.
no its not....
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The dude returns kicks. He's a kick returner. So he's the best. He's a kick returner.
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and a guy who scored 2 Rec TDs. He scored 8 TDs which is more than we had rushing TDs.
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and a guy who scored 2 Rec TDs. He scored 8 TDs which is more than we had rushing TDs.
I think that's more a knock on your offense than it is praise for Hester.
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Well I've already expressed my opinion that Colston really isn't that special, but it's a lot easier to get a slow yet tall receiver with big hands than it is to get a once in a lifetime player like Hester.

That's not to say Hester is more valuable than Colston (though I personally would rather have Hester), but there is an argument to be made about each player's value on the open market. I think if both were free agents that Hester would actually get more money, but it's hard to say.
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who cares about the offense? He was the best guy, so we had to pay him like that.
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Hester a once-in-a-lifetime player. Strong words there BF51.
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It's not strong words at all. He's the greatest return-man of all time. It's not even close.

That's actually a pretty obvious statement.
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Well I've already expressed my opinion that Colston really isn't that special, but it's a lot easier to get a slow yet tall receiver with big hands than it is to get a once in a lifetime player like Hester.

That's not to say Hester is more valuable than Colston (though I personally would rather have Hester), but there is an argument to be made about each player's value on the open market. I think if both were free agents that Hester would actually get more money, but it's hard to say.
I don't think it's as easy to get someone like Colston as you're making it out to be. He's by no means a burner, but he still does enough to get separation, and create to have Brees throw to him.

I didn't watch many Bears games, so if someone can find a stat on the average field position on kick returns or punt returns, i'll give some rep. Hester ranked 41st in the league in KR's so i wanna know if that's more of squib kicking or what.
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i meant he was the best guy on our offense so we had to pay him like that

i think the Bears were 1st in Field Position starting at about the 33. I believe the Pats were second
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How many WR's in the league are there like Colston? How many KR/PR's are there in the NFL that are on Hester's level?

I think that's what 51 was trying to get at. The man has set return records in his first two seasons and he looks to be a threat at WR as well if he keeps working at it.
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i think the Bears were 1st in Field Position starting at about the 33. I believe the Pats were second
Where did you get that or what?

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How many WR's in the league are there like Colston? How many KR/PR's are there in the NFL that are on Hester's level?

I think that's what 51 was trying to get at. The man has set return records in his first two seasons and he looks to be a threat at WR as well if he keeps working at it.
Well that's quite a comment to make when about three WR's play extensive time per game per team, as compared to the one, maybe two returners.

I think Hester has become a tad overrated at this point. Again, i'd like to see the field position numbers, because there are times where he just gets completely taken out of games. I wanna know where the Bears were those games offensively. Yes, his speed and agility is second to none, but a lot of times he does a lot, and doesn't gain much.
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I don't doubt that Colston is more productive per game than Hester (even if you take into account the yardage we get simply by teams not kicking to Hester). I'm simply saying that a talent like Hester is harder to find than Colston, but again, I've already stated that I think Colston is a guy with great hands and size but otherwise a statistical product of his system. I've argued it extensively so I really don't want to otherwise.

I've also stated that I think Berrian is a more valuable receiver than Colston, and the fact that Hester's contract was a bit smaller than Berrians (less incentives) then I personally think it's fair value, albeit perhaps a bit overpaid on the field production side due to Hester's popularity. Saints fans no doubt feel they got a bargain in Colston, and that's certainly their right.
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I don't think it's as easy to get someone like Colston as you're making it out to be. He's by no means a burner, but he still does enough to get separation, and create to have Brees throw to him.

I didn't watch many Bears games, so if someone can find a stat on the average field position on kick returns or punt returns, i'll give some rep. Hester ranked 41st in the league in KR's so i wanna know if that's more of squib kicking or what.
here's a link... starting field position is listed as LOS/dr

http://football-outsiders.com/stats/drivestats.php

as you can see, the Bears had the best starting field position of all NFL teams. This is all a result of Devin Hester.

For reference, Joshua Cribbs and Cleveland were third in the NFL.

since you didn't watch the Bears play... I'll give you a little run down of what happened... Teams would kick it to about the 25 yard line either in the air, or with a squib, and Hester would return it about 10 yards to the 35.

On punts, the opposing team either kicked the ball out of bounds, or extremely high in the air so that Hester had no chance to return it.
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I don't doubt that Colston is more productive per game than Hester (even if you take into account the yardage we get simply by teams not kicking to Hester). I'm simply saying that a talent like Hester is harder to find than Colston, but again, I've already stated that I think Colston is a guy with great hands and size but otherwise a statistical product of his system. I've argued it extensively so I really don't want to otherwise.

I've also stated that I think Berrian is a more valuable receiver than Colston, and the fact that Hester's contract was a bit smaller than Berrians (less incentives) then I personally think it's fair value, albeit perhaps a bit overpaid on the field production side due to Hester's popularity. Saints fans no doubt feel they got a bargain in Colston, and that's certainly their right.
Hester is getting paid about $6.5mm/year. That is overpaying in my opinion.

Terrell Owens: $8mm/year
Andre Johnson: $7.8mm/year
Marvin Harrison: $4mm/year
Reggie Wayne: $3.3mm/year

That's just a few guys. Unless Hester pans out as a big-time wide receiver, I think the Bears regret this signing.
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You can't compare him to past contracts, of course it's going to be more than guys that signed deals a few years ago before there was a spike in contracts.

Look at the deals that were given out this offseason, that's the only fair comparison. He's still making less than Javon Walker and Bernard Berrian, and I would take Hester over either of them. I've already said my piece on Colston. I can't remember if there were other high-profile receiver signings.

I don't deny that he may never earn every cent of the contract, but in a few years it won't seem that high. People **** their pants when Reggie Wayne signed that contract a few years back.

I also have no idea where you got your numbers but Reggie Wayne is definately making more than 3.3 per. He signed a 6 year 40 million dollar deal.

Marvin Harrison likewise signed a 7 year-67 million dollar deal.

Unless you're only counting base salary, in which case you have to do the same for Hester as well. Don't skew numbers to fit your argument.
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I can't believe people are questioning this signing. He's making less than guys who were just drafted and haven't proven their worth. Hester is well-proven and much of his value is tough to quantify with statistics. It's not like this deal is some sort of cap-buster. Have you guys seen the salary cap lately? There's plenty of room for guys like Hester. Bears were smart to sign him now. Good for them.
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Hester deserved a payday, this contract is incentive laden so it doesn't matter one iota unless he learns how to play receiver.
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Hester deserved a payday, this contract is incentive laden so it doesn't matter one iota unless he learns how to play receiver.
People make it seem like FO's are so dumb, they're just going to give them money for doing nothing.

No. They want hester to basically dominate as a number one. they'll give him the moon if he can do that. If he basically is a pro-bowl receiver in three years (yeah, hold your breath), he'll probably be making that money that his contract would love to get him. Also, if the bears don't want to, they can make him return kicks, and not play receiver... that'd kill some possibility that he'll make his bonuses...
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