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Old 08-02-2008, 11:46 PM    (permalink
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He agreed on a four-year deal that could pay him 30 million if he hits the incentives and escalators.

Thoughts? He will make a total of 8 million the first 2 years of the contract which I am not happy with.
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Old 08-02-2008, 11:58 PM    (permalink
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A little bit to much for a guy who was effective but Only played 10 games or so.
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They were in a sticky situation....its not often you see an "Exclusive Rights FA" in a situation like that. He was trying to avoid having league minimum contracts shoved in his face for the next few years so I don't blame him at all for wanting more....

And the Packers are already going to be shaky at QB with a guy going into his first year as a starter. No need to go in with major questions at RB too as Grant was the surest thing they had.
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A little bit to much for a guy who was effective but Only played 10 games or so.
Not as bad as what rookies get paid who havent even stepped on the field yet.
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Not as bad as what rookies get paid who havent even stepped on the field yet.
That has absolutely no relevance to making a this deal.
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That has absolutely no relevance to making a this deal.
What Im saying is, that a guy who has played well in 10 games should make more money than a rookie who hasnt played. I know GM's dont care about that and probably doesnt factor into the deal.
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What Im saying is, that a guy who has played well in 10 games should make more money than a rookie who hasnt played. I know GM's dont care about that and probably doesnt factor into the deal.
no, the GM's do care about that. If Grant's agent had walked in and demanded a deal better than the top drafted running back got, the GM would have laughed right in his face and told him to get out.
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no, the GM's do care about that. If Grant's agent had walked in and demanded a deal better than the top drafted running back got, the GM would have laughed right in his face and told him to get out.
If he laughs in his face, then doesnt that mean he doesnt care?
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He agreed on a four-year deal that could pay him 30 million if he hits the incentives and escalators.

Thoughts? He will make a total of 8 million the first 2 years of the contract which I am not happy with.
8 million in the first 2 years isn't a big deal at all, especially when considering that it includes his signing bonus.
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That has absolutely no relevance to making a this deal.
What? Aren't most deals based in some way off of other, relatively similar, situations?
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8 million in the first 2 years isn't a big deal at all, especially when considering that it includes his signing bonus.
4.25 million in year 1 and 8 million in year 2 was how I read it.
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4.25 million in year 1 and 8 million in year 2 was how I read it.
"at least $8 million over the first two years of the deal"

I read it as 8 million over the first two years, meaning the first two years of his contract would be a total of 8 million.
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"at least $8 million over the first two years of the deal"

I read it as 8 million over the first two years, meaning the first two years of his contract would be a total of 8 million.
Yeah, I read it wrong. I still think it is overpriced for a less than 1 year performance in an offensive scheme that is conducive to a lot of RBs.
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As long as this deal is incentive laden, then I don't really see a problem paying the man. He has succeeded in limited time so you give him some money to make him happy. At the same time you allow for him to make elite player money if he can perform. I don't see this as a bad deal at all for either side.
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Yeah, I read it wrong. I still think it is overpriced for a less than 1 year performance in an offensive scheme that is conducive to a lot of RBs.
Yeah I agree, I really don't like the amount we paid, compared to what Graham got from the Bucs.
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Yeah, I read it wrong. I still think it is overpriced for a less than 1 year performance in an offensive scheme that is conducive to a lot of RBs.
I don't think people understand. That "$4.25 million in the first year" includes Ryan Grant's signing bonus--i.e. the stuff that is prorated over the length of the contract.
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Yeah I agree, I really don't like the amount we paid, compared to what Graham got from the Bucs.
Are you kidding? Graham upside is not even close to that of Grant. Grant is only 25 in his second year, he is only going to get better with more experience and time in the offense. Grahams is 28 and has been with the same system for five years. Plus Grants 5.1 ypc makes him look like superman to average Grahams 4.0 ypc.

Grant could very well be the future of the Packers run game who lacked a feature back. Graham is no more than a stopgap till Caddy gets back to health. They are very different situations.

You should be happy that you locked up a young player to a long term deal that is not an enormous cap number.
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Hopefully he lives up to the contract.
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Are you kidding? Graham upside is not even close to that of Grant. Grant is only 25 in his second year, he is only going to get better with more experience and time in the offense. Grahams is 28 and has been with the same system for five years. Plus Grants 5.1 ypc makes him look like superman to average Grahams 4.0 ypc.

Grant could very well be the future of the Packers run game who lacked a feature back. Graham is no more than a stopgap till Caddy gets back to health. They are very different situations.

You should be happy that you locked up a young player to a long term deal that is not an enormous cap number.
I used an example. Grant is still similar to Graham. One year production that would be credited to the o-line. I can not tell if Grant has greater upside then Graham or less. The thing I can tell you is that he has only produced for 10 games.
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I didn't get to watch too many packers games last year (only like 3) but from what I saw and what I can imaging, Favre had that defense pretty far stretched out. On top of that, that offense line was making some good holes. I can't separate Grant's talent from his surrounding cast to figure out which one was the cause of his success.

However, the money doesn't seem to be that big of a problem, I wouldn't make a huge stink out of a 8 million over two years if a large part of it is including his signing bonus. And if he hits the hard incentives isn't that just a good thing for the packers? lol
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I would have said let him play for 1 year before offering a contract. If he wanted to sit out, let him, you're system is mainly responsible for the success of the running game. He is a perfect fit for the things your trying to do, but it isn't him alone. And to see how things would go without Favre, I want to see him play for a fullseason without Brett. If he can still come up with huge numbers, then I have no problem with giving him a deal. Thought they gave in to this.

Actually I wonder how much PR actually plays a factor. A GM can play hard ball with him too, but then it can make people even more mad, because they may call TT and the front office cheap for offering Favre 20 million to sit out, but not pay Grant. So I can see this move as a PR move to say, ok well, at least now we have our running back at camp.
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Grant is a decent/solid RB, nothing more. He was 4th string on our team for a reason.

The Packers run game is built on that offensive line, the run blocking schemes, and a spread set that reduces the amount of bodies in the box. Grant is more of a product of the scheme than a great RB. He's good, don't get me wrong, but he's not great. He's very replaceable.


The Packers just don't have any RBs at all. None. Thats why they were forced to pay Grant his money. They made a mistake of not going after a RB in this deep class. For example, Choice in the 4th round. Tashard Choice wouldve gave you everything Grant gives you plus more, and for a hell of a lot less money.


Having that said, it wouldn't surprise me to see him have a great year. But the #s don't tell the whole story. I credit the guys around Grant moreso than Grant himself when discussing the Packers run game. Theres very few RBs in this league that aren't the byproduct of the guys around them and are actually worth a large financial investment in. So this doesn't just go for Grant, but RBs in general.
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For all of you arguing Grant is a product of the system... Do you remember the Packers run game before he came along?









Yeah, me either.
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For all of you arguing Grant is a product of the system... Do you remember the Packers run game before he came along?









Yeah, me either.
O Grant still is, but he is a better fit than the other RBs you and I, and everyone else can't remember. There was a reason why you guys traded for him. He has the perfect skills for your system, but still doesn't make him a top notch runner. He is a good back, in a great system, and I am happy for him. But my point is your system, offensive formations, and play design is pretty damn sick! Put in "a good fit" for that system, and I am not suprised at his success.
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