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Old 08-18-2008, 01:31 AM    (permalink
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I was pretty sure throughout the entire training camp that the battle to replace Jason Taylor on the outside was between Quentin Moses and Charlie Anderson. But now Roth has started the last 2 games at OLB for us and continues to practice there. Is he our new starter at OLB opposite Joey Porter? Sure he will offer us very little in the area of pass coverage, but what he will lack in pass coverage ability, I believe he can more than make up with his run-stopping ability. With him at OLB, we will be nearly impossible to run on IMO, when you replace him at DE (which is where he was starting originally) with a 290 pounder like Merling, Langford, or Starks, it gives us big time run-stuffing ability with all the extra muscle out there. And to dog on him for his deficiences as a pass rusher, you have to assume we have someone more capable in that area behind him, and with only Charlie Anderson and Quentin Moses as the other options, I don't believe we really do. So why not!?

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Old 08-18-2008, 01:42 AM    (permalink
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Eh, I don't think he is athletic enough to play OLB, he's will really suck in coverage seing as he doesn't have good speed and he will have trouble beating OTs for the same reason. He was nothing more than a run stuffing guy in the first place, was never known for his athletic ability and speed. I really don't see this working out for the Dolphins and I don't think he will do very well and will be replaced by the middle of the season by the 2 you mentioned. He hasn't been overly productive at the OLB spot thus far only getting 4 tackles in 2 games with no other stat recorded (no sacks, INTs, FF).

But, he was a LB in college and only moved over to DE in 2002, so you never know.
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Eh, I don't think he is athletic enough to play OLB, he's will really suck in coverage seing as he doesn't have good speed and he will have trouble beating OTs for the same reason. He was nothing more than a run stuffing guy in the first place, was never known for his athletic ability and speed. I really don't see this working out for the Dolphins and I don't think he will do very well and will be replaced by the middle of the season by the 2 you mentioned. He hasn't been overly productive at the OLB spot thus far only getting 4 tackles in 2 games with no other stat recorded (no sacks, INTs, FF).

But, he was a LB in college and only moved over to DE in 2002, so you never know.
He did record a sack against Jacksonville though.
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He did record a sack against Jacksonville though.
whoops my bad I guess I didn't see that. Well I stand by everything I said except for that.
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He really has shocked how well he has done. He hasn't been perfect but he has looked really good in space and has been decent off the edge. He hasn't really shown many moves but he's going to be able to bull rush some guys and get some heat off the edge. He looked a little slimmer this week (could have just been me, has anyone read anything about him dropping weight?) and if not hopefully he starts and tries to get closer to 265. Anderson has been ok, Moses has been pretty bleh, is Roth can continue to progress it will really help the pass rush.

BTW, I really like the depth we have with the front 7, the back 4 have been ridiculously mediocre but we brought in a bunch of guys that have looked good. Holliday, Merling, Langford, Starks, Wright at end, Ferguson and Soliai at NT (he looks much better than he did last year), Channing, Ayodele and Torbor inside and Porter, Roth, Anderson and Moses outside. If we can add an elite edge guy next year (and hopefully Roth can develop into a starting SLB) I love the 3-4 we have.
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He really has shocked how well he has done. He hasn't been perfect but he has looked really good in space and has been decent off the edge. He hasn't really shown many moves but he's going to be able to bull rush some guys and get some heat off the edge. He looked a little slimmer this week (could have just been me, has anyone read anything about him dropping weight?) and if not hopefully he starts and tries to get closer to 265. Anderson has been ok, Moses has been pretty bleh, is Roth can continue to progress it will really help the pass rush.

BTW, I really like the depth we have with the front 7, the back 4 have been ridiculously mediocre but we brought in a bunch of guys that have looked good. Holliday, Merling, Langford, Starks, Wright at end, Ferguson and Soliai at NT (he looks much better than he did last year), Channing, Ayodele and Torbor inside and Porter, Roth, Anderson and Moses outside. If we can add an elite edge guy next year (and hopefully Roth can develop into a starting SLB) I love the 3-4 we have.
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Roth is a better fit as a rush LB than a 3-4 DE. To be honest, I was stunned that Saban decided to make him a lineman when he came out. While at Iowa, he was an edge rusher and I thought when he was drafted, he would still be an edge rusher. I think he will be a big liability in coverage, but he should help as a rusher from the OLB position...

Agreed that the DL has some ability now. Will hopefully be a strength this yr and beyond...
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I guess i could see him staring the year at SLB but in my opinion he is definatley not the long term solotion there, i think he'll be replaced by mid-season by one of those other guys. Then we will have to draft someone next year.
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Can you say Defensive POY?
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Can you say Defensive POY?
You may have been being facetious, but that would be amazing!
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Does anyone remember how I had this transition pegged during the draft???? Damn I wish I could find those post on how I was roasted on even suggesting that Matt Roth would be an outside linebacker with this regime. There's certainly some crow to be had.
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What about Cameron Wake? Any word on what position he will be competing for? He may be more of a situational pass rusher, but I imagine Roth is in that boat as well. I remember Wake was a beast at the combine, and he was an amazing pass rusher on the BC Lions. Should be interesting to see how his game translates into the NFL.
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