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Old 01-12-2009, 12:51 PM    (permalink
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well i'll just agree to disagree cause i dont think mckenzie is cooked and porter played good enough for me to not draft another guy for the same position straight away. I'm also quite sure that vontae will be around when we pick so that makes it worse (in my mind) cause someone might actually have the same thoughts you do. My ideal draft would be trading out the first to the midsecond and grabbing mcrath, then adding a guy like delmas and with our third pick a cb like underwood or someone like that. But i really cant be happy at all with vontae at 14, but I have a feeling that we just wont agree on this matter.
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McKenzie might not be cooked, but he's certainly not the type of guy that would make you pass on a top tier CB if one is still on the board.
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McKenzie might not be cooked, but he's certainly not the type of guy that would make you pass on a top tier CB if one is still on the board.
he is when you have alternatives on other positions of bigger need. cmon we have kaesverharn and shanle starting
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I personally don't see cornerback a glaring need as others seem to.
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Nor do I, but I'm sort of a BPA kind of guy, especially when the D just needs a shot in the arm from ANY spot IMO.

I'm on the OL bandwagon anyway.
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Nor do I, but I'm sort of a BPA kind of guy, especially when the D just needs a shot in the arm from ANY spot IMO.

I'm on the OL bandwagon anyway.
yeah but we just need one more guy there to make it a good unit imo. And agree with the bpa part partially but with wlb and fs as the biggest needs by far.
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yeah but we just need one more guy there to make it a good unit imo. And agree with the bpa part partially but with wlb and fs as the biggest needs by far.
By Far? I know there's a lot of money tied up there, but what has the D-Line done to show it's NOT a big need? There's ample room for improvement pretty much everywhere... Vilma (if he comes back), Ellis, and maybe Will Smith are the only guys that I'd be completely against replacing. The D has been "one more guy" away from being a good unit for a few years now...
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I'm thinking William Moore or BJ Raji if we stay at #14.
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I don't believe safety is as much of a glaring need now that we hired Williams... Roman Harper is a perfect fit for Gregg Williams's scheme, he'll be a stud in that defense. We still need to upgrade at FS, but I really hope we don't break the bank on Atogwe or use our first round pick on that position. A guy like Renaldo Hill (my top choice) or Will Allen (TB), for example, would be a nice fit. (I wonder how much Brian Dawkins has left in the tank? Just a thought...) If we're going to spend big money/top draft pick on a DB, it HAS to be a corner. Vonte in the draft or Dunta/Nnamdi in FA would give me a rod. DT and WLB also need to be seriously addressed, in that order. Our DE's are safe for one more year because of their contracts, but they absolutely have to start producing again...

And for everybody on the O-Line bandwagon - I completely understand where you're coming from, but Defense absolutely must be the #1 priority in both draft & free agency... and for once, I have a good feeling about it being taken care of.
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I don't believe safety is as much of a glaring need now that we hired Williams... Roman Harper is a perfect fit for Gregg Williams's scheme, he'll be a stud in that defense. We still need to upgrade at FS, but I really hope we don't break the bank on Atogwe or use our first round pick on that position. A guy like Renaldo Hill (my top choice) or Will Allen (TB), for example, would be a nice fit. (I wonder how much Brian Dawkins has left in the tank? Just a thought...) If we're going to spend big money/top draft pick on a DB, it HAS to be a corner. Vonte in the draft or Dunta/Nnamdi in FA would give me a rod. DT and WLB also need to be seriously addressed, in that order. Our DE's are safe for one more year because of their contracts, but they absolutely have to start producing again...

And for everybody on the O-Line bandwagon - I completely understand where you're coming from, but Defense absolutely must be the #1 priority in both draft & free agency... and for once, I have a good feeling about it being taken care of.
Sorry but to be honoust SS wasnt our primary need anyway. So yeah SS becomes a bit less of a need with williams but we still need an upgrade over kaesverharn badly, that doesnt change imo. The discussion about corner (and the fact that vontae davis is an overrated pos) we have already had so I'll keep shut about that. Do not forget that we also need an upgrade over shanle bad and we could also use another DT to match up with Ellis although that last one is not that much more vital than a corner. A thing to keep in mind though, the depth in this corner class is pretty good but the top aint special at all.
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Sorry but to be honoust SS wasnt our primary need anyway. So yeah SS becomes a bit less of a need with williams but we still need an upgrade over kaesverharn badly, that doesnt change imo. The discussion about corner (and the fact that vontae davis is an overrated pos) we have already had so I'll keep shut about that. Do not forget that we also need an upgrade over shanle bad and we could also use another DT to match up with Ellis although that last one is not that much more vital than a corner. A thing to keep in mind though, the depth in this corner class is pretty good but the top aint special at all.
Maybe you should, ya know, READ what I post before you jump in with your golden drops of mad knowledge. I mentioned upgrading over Kaesviharn (not Kaesverharn) at FS, I mentioned upgrading over Shanle at WLB, and I mentioned another DT as well... so yeah, sorry I "forgot" about all of those things. Take that out of your response, and all we're pretty much left with is you bringing up the CB debate again - and if I may, oh wise one, you're not exactly keeping shut about it by bringing it up yet again. It's a whole different discussion with no relevance here, but since you brought it up - Malcolm Jenkins is the best CB prospect to come out in years, and the depth of the class as a whole arguably isn't very impressive. But, like I said, that really isn't relevant here... and once you remove your reiterations of things I already talked about, presented as if you're scooping me with some really enlightening info, your post really isn't relevant here, either. Now how's about you stop trying to school me every time I talk about what I'd like to see the Saints do... because "sorry but to be honoust" I really don't care about nor do I respect your opinions. Thank you and good day, sir.
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Maybe you should, ya know, READ what I post before you jump in with your golden drops of mad knowledge. I mentioned upgrading over Kaesviharn (not Kaesverharn) at FS, I mentioned upgrading over Shanle at WLB, and I mentioned another DT as well... so yeah, sorry I "forgot" about all of those things. Take that out of your response, and all we're pretty much left with is you bringing up the CB debate again - and if I may, oh wise one, you're not exactly keeping shut about it by bringing it up yet again. It's a whole different discussion with no relevance here, but since you brought it up - Malcolm Jenkins is the best CB prospect to come out in years, and the depth of the class as a whole arguably isn't very impressive. But, like I said, that really isn't relevant here... and once you remove your reiterations of things I already talked about, presented as if you're scooping me with some really enlightening info, your post really isn't relevant here, either. Now how's about you stop trying to school me every time I talk about what I'd like to see the Saints do... because "sorry but to be honoust" I really don't care about nor do I respect your opinions. Thank you and good day, sir.
your main point was that we dont need to worry anymore about ss since harper fits well in the system, but since that wasnt our biggest worry anyway all my point were legit. With my main point being that I think we should have other points of focus in our free agency and draft process and you only mentioning that they kinda would be a sidenote compared to corner that is a honoust point.

With regards to the bolded part I in general respond to your opinions concerning drafting cornerbacks and more specifically vontae davis, don't think I have responded to you in any other points cause I feel quite strong about this issue and you basicly keep posting the same post in: Let's go and draft vontae davis.

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Show me where I said that, you dunce.

SAFETY as a glaring need = free safety AND strong safety play need to be improved. Which was absolutely true following this season and in the type of scheme we used under Gibbs. However, Roman Harper, our strong safety, fits perfectly into what Gregg Williams does with the strong safety in his defensive scheme. Now, we only need to improve at free safety. Which is why safety is not as much of a glaring need. Which is exactly what I said.

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Show me where I said that, you dunce.

SAFETY as a glaring need = free safety AND strong safety play need to be improved. Which was absolutely true following this season and in the type of scheme we used under Gibbs. However, Roman Harper, our strong safety, fits perfectly into what Gregg Williams does with the strong safety in his defensive scheme. Now, we only need to improve at free safety. Which is why safety is not as much of a glaring need. Which is exactly what I said.

I already know that you don't agree with me, and you already know that I don't care, so I now kindly ask you to refrain from responding to my posts. It will make the both of us happier. Thanks.
when you say that harper is gonna be a stud in defense you are saying that ss isnt a need anymore. For the rest I wont respond as requested, happy? Just out of interest what is a dunce?
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No, show me where I said that SS was our biggest worry. Because that's what you insinuated.
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No, show me where I said that SS was our biggest worry. Because that's what you insinuated.
Well i didnt mean to say that you ever claimed it was our biggest worry but you made it feel like it was one of our bigger needs (which in my opinion it isnt, I'll order our draft needs on end of point just to make clear how i feel), but if you thought it was a little worry your first point would be absulutely pointless, besides the point of renaldo hill and will allen (which actually is a decent point, we cant afford to do so).
1 WLB and FS (to close to make a difference)
3 DT (to match up with sed ellis)
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6 SS
7 Power running back

not saying you have to agree with my order but this is how i would rank them
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Let's state the obvious. It's early, and it doesn't mean we are interested. Anyway, it's the offseason and it's draft season. Let's find out what tendencies we can see from who the Saints are talking to at the Senior Bowl.

(Offense, Defense, Specialists)

Monday:
Brandon Gibson, WR, Washington State
Patrick Chung, S, Oregon
Louie Sakoda, K, Utah

Tuesday:
Connor Barwin, DE, Cincinnati
Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan
John Phillips, TE, Virginia
Kevin Huber, P, Cincinnati
Brooks Foster, WR, North Carolina
Mark Estermyer, LS, Pittsburgh
Brian Cushing, OLB, Southern California
Thomas Morstead, P, Southern Methodist
Pat McAfee, K, West Virginia
Mohamed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia
Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State


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Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan
Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon State
Kevin Huber, P, Cincinnati
Travis McCall, TE, Alabama
Jake Ingram, LS, Hawaii
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Anyone know where I could find some footage of Louis Delmas?
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Cushing? No thanks. Unless we got him late that is.
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I'd wet myself if we got Louis Delmas. IMO, he's the best safety in the draft.
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I'd love to get Delmas too. We really need to trade down, like in the worst way possible... I like our spot but picking at 14 and then not again until round 4 will be painful. I think the best value we could get would be something like moving down to the very end of round 1 and taking Alex Mack, and then taking someone like Delmas with whatever picks we received.

It's going to be hard, but we are going to need to do a good job of plugging holes in free agency this year, because even with a trade down, we will be short on picks.
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I would like to trade down for Louis Delmas and Alphonso Smith. That's if we pick up a 2nd in the trade.

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delmas and mcrath for me and then hope coye francies falls to us
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I would like to trade down for Louis Delmas and Alphonso Smith. That's if we pick up a 2nd in the trade.
If we don't trade down and add a 2nd or 3rd +, I'll be upset as hell.
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