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Old 02-24-2009, 12:01 PM    (permalink
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david patten. deuce mcallister brian young mark brunell, mike mckenzie, kevin kaesviharn, all guys that have a good chance of being cut. Shockey and Grant also are being overpaid imo, think jason david could also get cut (high salary + bad player= cut potential)
saints arent paying his salary but grant am with you ..u forgot josh bulllocks,
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I think everyone wants to trade down, it's just a matter of finding someone that wants to move up.
Ding. Not to mention that we're not a team to trade down in the first round either. I don't know why people can't seem to grasp that.
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Ding. Not to mention that we're not a team to trade down in the first round either. I don't know why people can't seem to grasp that.
because we have plenty of needs and with our limited cap room we wont do much outside the draft so we need picks badly. sure historically we arent a team that trades down a lot but the value at 14 just does not correspond with our needs at all
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because we have plenty of needs and with our limited cap room we wont do much outside the draft so we need picks badly. sure historically we arent a team that trades down a lot but the value at 14 just does not correspond with our needs at all
QFT, even with Duece released and the cap moving up 2 million, we are still walking a thin line.
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I'm now absolutely hooked on OLB Clay Matthews, after reading up on him and seeing what he did at the combine. Sure, he didn't play all that much at USC, but with the ridiculous talent they had at LB that isn't even much of a concern for me. 6'3 240 with 4.67 speed, I think he'd be a perfect fit at WLB. I'd go crazy if we could trade down a couple of spots and grab him (with Vontae as option #2 if we don't sign Bartell).
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his coverage drills at the combine apparently werent that impressive (cushing did them better) but i like the logic of the move. Please sign bartell btw cause i dont like the corner talent at the top of this class at all.
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My Saints '09 Draft breakdown v1.0

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With the free agency signing we have made so far the one spot still to be filled is safety, and I believe that will be done by signing Darren Sharper or Gerald Sensabaugh. I didn't like the fact that we replaced Mike Karney with Heath Evans, even though Karney wasn't a good fit for our offense and Evans offers more when it comes to versatility. I like the signing of Jabari Greer though, and we desperately needed some help in the secondary.

Going into the draft we have the following needs.

WLB: Scott Shanle should not be starting for us.
DB: Part of the reason why our secondary have seemed bad is the lack of pressure on the opposing teams quarterbacks, but either you look at it we could use some more help here.
C: Jonathan Goodwin is an average starting center, and a (future) replacement is needed.
RT: We brought back Jon Stinchcomb, but there isn't much depth to speak of here. We have former 4th round pick Jermon Bushrod in the fold, but we could use some more help here. Zach Strief seems to be well liked by the coaching staff so he and Jammal Brown has the left side covered.
OG: Jahri Evans has one spot solidified, but on the other side we have an average guy in Jamar Nesbit and a promising Carl Nicks. Some depth could be needed though.
RB: Deuce is gone and a power back would be nice even though we did just sign Heath Evans.
QB: Mark Brunell is a serviceable backup, but a long-term replacement to Drew Brees is yet to be found.
P: Glenn Pakulak played well at the end of the season, but it wouldn't hurt to bring in some competition.
DT: DeMario Pressley has yet to get a chance to show what he can do. This is not a big need, but some depth could be an option in the later rounds.

1st round:
The one spot I think we need an immediate starter is week side linebacker. We need to bring in someone to replace Scott Shanle, and putting all our eggs in the Dan Morgan basket is not an option. Possibilities in the first round at that position is Brian Cushing and Clay Matthews. Other players we might be tempted to take is Malcolm Jenkins, Vontae Davis and Chris Wells. We could use some help in the secondary and a replacement to Deuce could also be something Sean Payton would have a hard time passing up. A wild-card to keep in mind if we trade far enough down could be a center like Alex Mack or Max Unger.

My pick: Brian Cushing, OLB, Southern California

4th round:
Because of the Jonathan Vilma trade we have two 4th rounders, our own and the Jets'. Depending on what we do prior to this I see us using these two picks to get some depth to our offensive line, linebacker core or secondary. Guys to keep an eye on here could be Jason Watkins, Fenuki Tupou, Cornelius Lewis, Tyronne Green, Antoine Caldwell, Zack Follett, Kaluka Maiava, DeAngelo Smith, Kevin Barnes and David Bruton. Other positions that could be addressed here are QB and RB with players like Nate Davis, Andre Brown and Rashad Jennings as possible targets.

A possible wild-card here could be a punter like Thomas Morstead, all though it's unlikely that we would use a pick on a specialist this year considering last years "success" and the fact that we only have a total of 4 picks. Another option is a fullback like Tony Fiammetta or Quinn Johnson, all though that's also highly unlikely. If we were to target one of these three players the 4th round is probably a little high, and a trade down would be necessary.

When push comes to shove, I think we will use one pick on defense and one on the offensive line. Sean Payton seems confident that he can get something out of Joey Harrington, so I expect us to bring him back for the veteran minimum. When it comes to picking offensive linemen we seem to like players from small schools, so that has to be taken into consideration here. Another interesting fact is that all the offensive linemen currently on our roster is above 300lbs, so that might be a trend the front office wants to continiue. Which defensive position we address here is much based on who we pick in the 1st round. Since I went with a linebacker there the secondary gets some help here.

My picks: Cornelius Lewis, OG, Tennessee State & David Bruton, FS, Notre Dame

7th round:
Predicting a 7th round pick is nearly impossible. At this point in the draft teams take players regardless of position that they see some potential in. A wild-card could however be addressing a "less important" position like fullback, kicker or punter.

It might be unlikely that he lasts this long, but a player I really like is Frantz Joseph from Florida Atlantic. Other intriguing late-round options could be Jason Boltus, Gartrell Johnson, Terrill Byrd and Ashlee Palmer.

My pick: Frantz Joseph, ILB, Florida Atlantic
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Let's have a poll. Who do you think we will take at #14? Not who you want us to take, but who you actually think we will take.

The poll is open one month, and then we make another one :)
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Smith or Jenkins would be the BPA based on those options... and there's no way Washington doesn't take Smith. I really want Clay Matthews, but I think we would take Jenkins... so he gets my vote, I guess.
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I picked "other" because I still see us a trading down. There would be several close seconds.
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Jenkins got my vote. If he is there I think he will be the pick. But i see them converting him to FS. I would like a OLB. I still really like Morgan always have since college but till he plays a full season I cant get my hopes up.
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Not bad. Nothing that would make me stand up and say WTF?

1st:
I do hope we trade down. Not that Cushing is a bad pick, but I think he will be there later in the first and if we can add some picks and still get him, why not? Since it's not a reality yet, I won't go into any "could be" scenarios, but I think I've made my stand point well known

4th:
Greg Isdaner from West Virginia should be around here and so should Darcel McBath out of Texas Tech. Do you really think we would draft Fiammetta since we just acquired Evans? Not that Fiammetta isn't a stud. AQ Shipley who is Penn State's C could be a good pick here also IMO.

7th:
Plenty of project QB's could be here and if Painter or Harper are still here it may be wise to grab them. Victor Butler the OLB from Oregon State would also be a great grab here.

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Do you really think we would draft Fiammetta since we just acquired Evans? Not that Fiammetta isn't a stud.
The chances of us drafting a fullback I think are slim to none. I was just throwing it out there ;)

The players you mention as possibilities in 4th and 7th are also very good options I think. The only guy I'm a little skeptical about is Curtis Painter. I don't know what it is exactly, I'm just not a fan of him.
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Jenkins got my vote as well although I'd love to see us trade down, albeit it is doubtful we actually do.
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What do you guys think about Peria Jerry as the Saints' 1st round pick?

It's an idea that really hit me today, and think it interesting. Assuming Sed Ellis plays NT next to Jerry at 3-tech, that would be a fearsome defensive interior. Some might say #14 could be too early, but there are some who consider Jerry a Top 15 talent and two Houston Chronicle writers are calling for him at #15.

Now if Malcolm Jenkins were to also reach that pick, I could see him being drafted instead. Personally I think he can be a great corner, but even overlooking that, as a free safety prospect he might go that high as well. Then again if the Saints do sign Darren Sharper as noted in a few posters earlier, that might create a difficult situation in trying to get both guys as many snaps as possible.
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I'd rather take a big NT and move Sed to UT.

I'm still all for taking one of the tackles should they fall.

Trading down and adding picks would be ideal, i'd go as far down as the second round to stockpile picks, and hopefully grab Alex Mack.

Barring all that, I'd like Malcolm Jenkins, I don't like Cushing at all to be honest.
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I'm still all for taking one of the tackles should they fall.

Trading down and adding picks would be ideal, i'd go as far down as the second round to stockpile picks, and hopefully grab Alex Mack.

Barring all that, I'd like Malcolm Jenkins, I don't like Cushing at all to be honest.
If Jenkins is there I think that will be an easy pick to make. But a trade down and more picks sounds nice. But the Saints dont do that often.
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Trading down and adding picks would be ideal, i'd go as far down as the second round to stockpile picks, and hopefully grab Alex Mack.

Barring all that, I'd like Malcolm Jenkins, I don't like Cushing at all to be honest.
never considered Mack in the early 2nd as a possibilty for us (well no more then any other possibilty, but you get my gist)

I do agree on adding picks, this draft is heavy on 2nd round talent as it has been pointed out before and, well, we're SOL in that area.

I do like Cushing. Seeing is his stock has risen as of late, he may not be there for a late 1st round pick so, I may be out of luck myself on my wish to get him.
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Illinois cornerback Vontae Davis made a strong impression on NFL scouts as well as two secondary coaches that attended the projected first-round draft pick’s Pro Day workout, according to Gil Brandt of NFL.com.

Davis ran the 40-yard dash in 4.40 seconds and registered a 37 1/2 inch vertical leap as well as a 6.80 time in the three-cone drill.

According to Brandt, Davis ran without a shirt and the 5-foot-11, 201-pounder is in great shape.

Per the article, Davis was also a hit in the positional drills.

Even though he admittedly wouldn't be my #1 choice any longer, I'm still extremely high on Vontae. Nobody around here seems to agree with me on that, but I really think he's got the measurables of a PROTOTYPE man-to-man cornerback. I can't help but laugh at those who think that our secondary is all set now that we signed Greer and Sharper... those look like only slight upgrades, and actually might end up being lateral moves. We still have plenty room for improvement in the back seven, and we need to take the BPA at OLB, CB, or S. I want Matthews, Jenkins or Cushing in that order, but after reading about Vontae's workout, I'd once again be thrilled if we end up taking him.
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hello saints fans. I am doing a draft and im going to each forum representing that team and i wonderin who you guys take at #14

DET - QB Matt Stafford
STL - OT Jason SMith
KC - LB Aaron CUrry
SEA - OT Eugene Monroe
CLE - DE Brian Orakpo
CIN - DT B.J Raji
OAK - WR Michael Crabtree
JAX - CB Vontae Davis
GB - DE Evert Brown
SF - OT Andre Smith
BUF - CB Malcolm Jenkins
DEN - DE Aaron Maybin
WAS - OT Michael Oher
NO - ???

Tell me who you guys want and ill will be back later.
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If Jenkins if off the board, Chris "Beanie" Wells.
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I'm hoping we actually trade down, but if that is impossible I say Brian Cushing out-right.
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In that scenario, I'd say Brian Cushing.
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If the draft shook out like this and we couldn't trade down, I'd be pretty pissed.
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