New Orleans Saints Draft thread

[Sveen]

Looks like it's gonna be almost a unanimous decision here. We think Malcolm Jenkins will be the pick (as of now).

[Flyboy]

Assuming he's available, yeah, I would say so.

I would assume our big board looks like this (well, realistically):

1. Malcolm Jenkins
2. Chris "Beanie" Wells
3. Brian Cushing

[CJSchneider]

Originally Posted by SaintsMan

I would like to have Cushing as our starting SLB but he is a reach at 14.

Scott has him going #16 in his latest mock. Two spots is not that big of a reach. Besides if he fits that big of a need, how much of a reach is he. I'm of the mind that once our Defense catches up with the Offense, we are play-off bound and beyond. To draft and offensive player in the first round when we only have 4 picks would be be a waste somewhat IMO.

[Flyboy]

Not when it addresses a weakness in the offense.

[diabsoule]

I really see us going after Beanie Wells if he's on the board.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by diabsoule

I really see us going after Beanie Wells if he's on the board.

I only see Wells being the pick IF Malcolm Jenkins is already off the board (Green Bay or Denver come to mind).

If he's there and it's between him and Wells, I really believe Jenkins will be the selection.

[Saints-Tigers]

I honestly think our running game would see a much bigger increase in productivity with upgrades to the offensive line, as opposed to bringing in another back.

[CJSchneider]

Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers

I honestly think our running game would see a much bigger increase in productivity with upgrades to the offensive line, as opposed to bringing in another back.

That I would agree with, but I don't see us drafting an O-line in the first round either.

[Saints-Tigers]

Originally Posted by CJSchneider

That I would agree with, but I don't see us drafting an O-line in the first round either.

At this point, I'm hoping we can get Duke Robinson later on, he's a big time talent at guard, he's been unfairly criticized over one game after thoroughly dominating.

Maybe even Herman Johnson, hell, just get a big road grader out there, give our backs some lanes! :D

[CJSchneider]

I doubt either are there in the 4th. Another point to strengthening my"Trade-down" argument.

[Saints-Tigers]

Even if we don't get back equal value on the trade chart, I'd still trade 14 down to the late first or early second, I think there is much more value in those picks than at 14, unless someone were to drop.

I'd like to grab a player for the secondary though, and if Jenkins is there, he's really hard to pass up, I think he got the senioritis where going back to school unfairly hurt his stock.

[coordinator0]

Let's say that Jenkins isn't available (which i don't think he gets past DEN). Does Wells, a LB, or a DE make more sense?

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by coordinator0

Let's say that Jenkins isn't available (which i don't think he gets past DEN). Does Wells, a LB, or a DE make more sense?

Wells then probably Cushing.

[CJSchneider]

In this case, I'm a "need" before "talent" minded person, so I would say the opposite.

[BuddyCHRIST]

1. Jenkins
2. Clay Matthews
3. Brian Cushing

Kill Myself Pick: Beanie Wells - Pierre Thomas is very good and a 3rd running back is not a luxury pick we can afford.

[CJSchneider]

Under the assumption we do not trade down, I thought I would post a mock of who I would like to see picked.

1. Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State : Obviously the pick
4a. Zack Follett, OLB, California : fits a need and is a value at this spot
4b. Tyronne Green, G, Auburn : Great pulling guard to block for Bush in the 2nd level
7. Hunter Cantwell, QB, Louisville : Goodbye Mr. Brunell

I'll be happy to explain my rationale behind any of these if asked.

[wicket]

Originally Posted by CJSchneider

Under the assumption we do not trade down, I thought I would post a mock of who I would like to see picked.

1. Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State : Obviously the pick
4a. Zack Follett, OLB, California : fits a need and is a value at this spot
4b. Tyronne Green, G, Auburn : Great pulling guard to block for Bush in the 2nd level
7. Hunter Cantwell, QB, Louisville : Goodbye Mr. Brunell

I'll be happy to explain my rationale behind any of these if asked.

I like the first two and although I like both the players I'd swap them for a center, certainly if one of the big 5 falls to us(mack unger wood luigs or caldwell who imo are all excellent center prospects that would have all been first day guys if they werent in the same class) or Rashad Jennings in the fourth and I would rather have Cullen Harper than Hunter Cantwell. Harper has more or less the same tools as Brees and can therefore be taught better by Brees and to me cantwell and harper are interchangable talentwise.

So it the draft turned out this way I would live but I wouldn be overwhelmed in any way.

[diabsoule]

My draft barring any trade down, which is what I want the most:

1) Malcom Jenkins, DB, Ohio State
4a) Tyrone McKenzie, LB, USF
4b) David Bruton, S, Notre Dame
7) Curtis Painter, Hunter Cantwell, or Brian Hoyer

[CJSchneider]

Not that I have a problem with Bruton, but since Jenkins will probably be used as a S, wouldn't you want to use that pick for something else?

[wicket]

Originally Posted by CJSchneider

Not that I have a problem with Bruton, but since Jenkins will probably be used as a S, wouldn't you want to use that pick for something else?

meh, he is an rediculous gunner and would free up jenkins in nickel packages essentially boosting our diversity in the nickel (he is a GREAT blitzer) and giving us more depth at corner (since we dont need a corner for nickelback anymore)

[diabsoule]

Originally Posted by wicket

meh, he is an rediculous gunner and would free up jenkins in nickel packages essentially boosting our diversity in the nickel (he is a GREAT blitzer) and giving us more depth at corner (since we dont need a corner for nickelback anymore)

All of those things I had in mind as well as the fact that Bruton is a SS compared to Jenkins being a FS. I feel that Bruton would be an improvement over Harper at SS and could help solidify our porous secondary.

[wicket]

Originally Posted by diabsoule

All of those things I had in mind as well as the fact that Bruton is a SS compared to Jenkins being a FS. I feel that Bruton would be an improvement over Harper at SS and could help solidify our porous secondary.

also keep in mind that bruton was quicker than any corner at the combine (2nd safety) best high jump for a safety(4th overall), best long jump etc etc. He pretty much dominated the combine. He's got good size, character, physical tools and everything you wish for.
He just has bricks for hands.
Ow yeah he has a nack for making impact plays when it matters the most. I dont agree with you that bruton i a pure stong safety. I think he is versatile enough to play everything from free safety to even linebacker (a couple of scouts made that an option apparently, they could see him as an ideal will I believe), anyways we could use him imo. Id be over the moon if we nabbed him in the fourth. But then again I am biased concerning ND players. (fi I SO want Ethan Johnson in the 2012 draft)

[SaintsFanForLife]

I have been reading allot on the Saints and I have seen it in more than a few places Loomis mention that they are looking to move down not just once but maybe twice.

I know we need picks but if the right player is there make the move. I dont think we need allot of picks to do good this upcoming season. We filled allot of spots on D in FA. A great player at 14 might be all we need to see the playoffs next year.

[wicket]

Originally Posted by SaintsFanForLife

I have been reading allot on the Saints and I have seen it in more than a few places Loomis mention that they are looking to move down not just once but maybe twice.

I know we need picks but if the right player is there make the move. I dont think we need allot of picks to do good this upcoming season. We filled allot of spots on D in FA. A great player at 14 might be all we need to see the playoffs next year.

I can see it though. If they trade back twice they can get a premier center(wood?) and a guy like louis delmas or sean smith. That would leave the rest of our picks (and maybe the other pick we aquired) to pick an outside linebacker and a power running back. both positions with excellent value in the fourth this draft probably. A possible draft scenario with a double trade down would be (we would get a 3rd for both tradedowns here)
early-mid second: sean smith/louis delmas or if one of the bigger name lb's fall maybe
1st 3rd rounder: Eric Wood
2nd 3rd rounder: Gerald McRath
1st 4th rounder: Glenn Coffee (whom i feel is really underrated here but if you dont like him enter another rb available there)
2nd 4th rounder: David Bruton
7th Rounder: Cullen Harper
If our draft would work out this way I'd be really happy for one. We'd have an imediate upgrade at fs, potential starters at center and wlb, variation at running back, depth at safety+excellent gunner and a developemental guy who can learn the world from brees.

[CJSchneider]

Originally Posted by wicket

I can see it though. If they trade back twice they can get a premier center(wood?) and a guy like louis delmas or sean smith. That would leave the rest of our picks (and maybe the other pick we aquired) to pick an outside linebacker and a power running back. both positions with excellent value in the fourth this draft probably. A possible draft scenario with a double trade down would be (we would get a 3rd for both tradedowns here)
early-mid second: sean smith/louis delmas or if one of the bigger name lb's fall maybe
1st 3rd rounder: Eric Wood
2nd 3rd rounder: Gerald McRath
1st 4th rounder: Glenn Coffee (whom i feel is really underrated here but if you dont like him enter another rb available there)
2nd 4th rounder: David Bruton
7th Rounder: Cullen Harper
If our draft would work out this way I'd be really happy for one. We'd have an imediate upgrade at fs, potential starters at center and wlb, variation at running back, depth at safety+excellent gunner and a developemental guy who can learn the world from brees.

Two 3rd rounders for #14?? picks #35 and #36 just miss at being the of #14. I'm sure we can do a hell of a lot better then that.