Mario Williams, quite possibly the best defensive player in the league.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Originally Posted by Bruce Banner

Wouldn't a terrible defensive line allow the offense to create lanes for running backs? Where they would be met by....linebackers?

Lol, you act like LBs don't move and try and stuff the run sometimes :P

[SenorGato]

To help out the OP, I do buy that Mario Williams will one day be the NFL's best defensive player.

He's that talented, and that nasty.

Theres alot of competition for young Mario. That DeMarcus Ware guy didn't even get a mention but besides for Haynesworth...

And Falcons fan...Enjoy Abe until his pinky nail breaks. Sick, sick talent...

[Basileus777]

Originally Posted by Bruce Banner

Wouldn't a terrible defensive line allow the offense to create lanes for running backs? Where they would be met by....linebackers?

Where the linebackers would be blocked by olineman/tight ends getting to the 2nd level....

[keylime_5]

he's right, Mario might be the best. Lots of great DEs in the game today, but none is any better than Mario. I think the DT from Tennessee Haynesworth is the best defender I've seen this year, Mario is right there too.

[Malaka]

Originally Posted by Basileus777

Where the linebackers would be blocked by olineman/tight ends getting to the 2nd level....

Yeah, exactly what happens on my high school football team the guard/tight end is always up my damn ass.

[BamaFalcon59]

Originally Posted by SenorGato

To help out the OP, I do buy that Mario Williams will one day be the NFL's best defensive player.

He's that talented, and that nasty.

Theres alot of competition for young Mario. That DeMarcus Ware guy didn't even get a mention but besides for Haynesworth...

And Falcons fan...Enjoy Abe until his pinky nail breaks. Sick, sick talent...

He really is unbelievably talented. He was injured in his first season with us, but since then he has been great.

If only we had another pass rush threat.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Originally Posted by Bruce Banner

Wouldn't a terrible defensive line allow the offense to create lanes for running backs? Where they would be met by....linebackers?

It lets the offensive line get past the first level. Where they would lock up with... linebackers?

[Bruce Banner]

Originally Posted by CutlerChris

It lets the offensive line get past the first level. Where they would lock up with... linebackers?

I'm assuming the d-line actually locks them up somewhat.

[gsorace]

Haynesworth = league MVP

hes good but nowhere near as dominate as ted washington was.

[MarioPalmer]

Well, I would have been much more hyped about Haynesworth, but showing up 5 years into your carreer when your in contract years doesn't exactly excite me. Is he playing the best RIGHT NOW? Yes, but is he the best defender and is he the best defender to buld your team around considering age, position, and overall accomplishments? No, I love Haynesworth, but the guy didn't and hasn't shown up until last year. This was a guy who should have been on the same level as Marcus Stroud and Kris Jenkins and Kevin Williams as the best DT in the league and he wasn't, he wasn't even close. This was a guy who at one time was being considered a player that was never going to live up to his potential, then BOOM! last year comes and he finally relizes he's at a cross roads in his carreer. I think Albert asked himself, "Do I play like I have the last 5 years and completely leave way to much to be desired and not get paid or do I go out there and play hard and play to the whistle and play to my ability so that I can get a monster contract?" I'm sorry, but showing up this late in your career doesn't make you the best player and I feel that the Titans felt the same way I did or they would have signed him to a big contract.

I look at the overall body of work, and thats what my thread was about. Mario has been the man from day one, and anyone who said that he's not the best defender on his team, then you don't watch the Texans and you don't know what your talking about. Pro-Bowl is a joke, everyone knows this, Vince Young goes his rookie year by default but he still is considered a Pro-Bowl player. I wouldn't consider him a Pro-Bowl player, would you? Point proven. As for not playing consistently? Sorry, but if you have watched the Texans you would know that he is the only one that plays consistently, also, someone said he doesn't show up against the Titans, I would like you to go back and watch both of last years games, and tell me what you think. Especially the game at Houston.

Also, yes this is his third year, thats my point, how many dominant defenders that are on the line that can be this domianant on the line at this point in their carreer and, and his ceiling not even being close to being reached. Thats the amazing part, the guy is only 23 years-old. 23 people, most players don't reach their prime till they are 26, 27 or 28 and he is at this level at 23.

As for that defensive line and the hype they got. Only was Okoye supposed to be a beast this year. Travis Johnson has never been on that level and he has been considered a bust for the past 3 years. Trust me, nobody has any confidence in Johnson and Anthony Weaver is garbage, thus the signing of Colvin in the off-season, who by the way is even worse then Weaver if thats possible. So please, nobody was saying this line was super, it was just Mario and Amobi and Amobi hasn't shown up at all. Also, if you notice, Mario is doubled, chipped and even tripled on some plays virtually all the time. It's unreal how talented he is and how unbelievably athletic he is.

Tale is on the tape and I've started to TiVo ever Texan game for this reason.

[Bruce Banner]

Originally Posted by MarioPalmer

Well, I would have been much more hyped about Haynesworth, but showing up 5 years into your carreer when your in contract years doesn't exactly excite me.

My thoughts.

[d34ng3l021]

I am pretty sure everyone is aware of Mario Williams' dominance. Everyone would probably have him as the first defensive player to pick if you were starting a franchise.

I might consider Haloti Ngata, but only for the tiniest bit. There is a lot of young dominant talent in the league right now. Mario Williams, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson are the stars of tomorrow. Its nice seeing them dominate at such a young age.

[Vox Populi]

Either way he is throwing linemen around like they are little girls and just cause its a contract year doesn't mean he isn't the best defensive player in the league right now.

The MVP award has nothing to do with what he did earlier in his career (granted a great career before that certainly helps with the extra exposure..) and you are clearly saying Mario is the best now, not 3 years ago, or else your point is ********... Maybe he hasn't been the best over the past 3 years, but it sure as hell hasn't been Mario either.

The past vs. present crap has nothing to do with this thread...

[MarioPalmer]

Originally Posted by d34ng3l021

I am pretty sure everyone is aware of Mario Williams' dominance. Everyone would probably have him as the first defensive player to pick if you were starting a franchise.

I might consider Haloti Ngata, but only for the tiniest bit. There is a lot of young dominant talent in the league right now. Mario Williams, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson are the stars of tomorrow. Its nice seeing them dominate at such a young age.

Absolutely, seriously, how lucky are we for the next 8 or 9 years, not to mention some of the young stars that are in college. And your right, I think if Halotu Ngata was playing straight up in a 4-3 as a pure DT and not a 3-4 DE he would be considered a top tier DT. I absolutely love what we are seeing right now in the NFL. I think we are finally getting away from that sloppy football from 2000-2004. I'm seeing great young and talented QB's, talented defenders, offesive players and even young hungry coaches. I mean when you look at the top 5 or so players at each position your seeing the majority of them as 28 or younger and even a few that are 25 or younger. Thats great for us fellas.

[Smokey Joe]

Okay, not really, but he's been a beast this year.

[MarioPalmer]

Originally Posted by Vox Populi

Either way he is throwing linemen around like they are little girls and just cause its a contract year doesn't mean he isn't the best defensive player in the league right now.

The MVP award has nothing to do with what he did earlier in his career (granted a great career before that certainly helps with the extra exposure..) and you are clearly saying Mario is the best now, not 3 years ago, or else your point is ********... Maybe he hasn't been the best over the past 3 years, but it sure as hell hasn't been Mario either.

The past vs. present crap has nothing to do with this thread...

I used it as Haynesworth hasn't been even close to a dominanting player until last year. That to me shows that a) he either is only playing for his big contract or b) finally relized that after 5 years of mediocrity he might want to step it up abit.

My point is that he hasn't been there for his team when they were terrible. He shows up during a contract year, and sorry, but players do this all the time in all sports. Look at Larry Johnson and Shaun Alexander. So, if Haynesworth gets a multi year deal and puts up the same type of production and leadership then I will be the first to say that he is the best defender in the game.

Being a productive player isn't everything. Being a leader, being a mentour, being a captain and face for your franchise is being the best player. Mario is established himself as that so far in his young carreer. Albert has yet to establish himself as a leader and a face of the Titan orginization. Bullock to me is the face of that team on defense. When you look at the top defenders in the league such as Urlacher, Willis, Merriman, Ware, Seymour, etc. they all play at a high level, are leaders and have made themselves the man to beat on their respective clubs. I put Mario in that catagory right now.

[Mr. Stiller]

I'm sad no one mentioned James Harrison.

James is 6'0 242lbs. He literally threw all 6'9 370lbs of Jared Gaither aside As he Crushed Flacco.


Pound for Pound, James Harrison is one of if not the Best Defender in the league. The guy just is unstoppable.

[Bruce Banner]

Originally Posted by Mr. Stiller

I'm sad no one mentioned James Harrison.

James is 6'0 242lbs. He literally threw all 6'9 370lbs of Jared Gaither aside As he Crushed Flacco.


Pound for Pound, James Harrison is one of if not the Best Defender in the league. The guy just is unstoppable.

Stiller, your homerism is annoying but admirable. I have to respect someone who never backs down.

[Mr. Stiller]

Originally Posted by Bruce Banner

Stiller, your homerism is annoying but admirable. I have to respect someone who never backs down.

My Homerism?

James Harrison had one of the greatest nights of all time last year in baltimore..

He's a more consistent dominant force than Mario Williams is.. Why shouldn't he be mentioned?

[bearsfan_51]

Hahaha...the greatest nights of all time....that's rich.

[Mr. Stiller]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Hahaha...the greatest nights of all time....that's rich.

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Yeah a 10 tackle, 3.5 Sack, 1 INT, 1 PD, 3 FF, 1 FR night is a fairly common occurance. I apologize and will bow out of the thread.

[joercky]

I would take Julius Peppers over Mario. Peppers when he has his head on right is the most dominant defensive end in the league.

[bearsfan_51]

Originally Posted by Mr. Stiller

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Yeah a 10 tackle, 3.5 Sack, 1 INT, 1 PD, 3 FF, 1 FR night is a fairly common occurance. I apologize and will bow out of the thread.

Do you realize that in the history of the NFL there have been about 30-40 thousand games? I bet you that most non-Steelers fans don't even remember that game and it happened very recently.

[giantsfan]

Originally Posted by joercky

I would take Julius Peppers over Mario. Peppers when he has his head on right is the most dominant defensive end in the league.

Julius doesn't have his head on right any more and at the moment Osi is still a better and more productive DE than Julius Peppers.