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Old 10-06-2008, 02:43 AM    (permalink
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Do you realize that in the history of the NFL there have been about 30-40 thousand games? I bet you that most non-Steelers fans don't even remember that game and it happened very recently.
So the fact people are oblivious to it makes it irrelevant.

I guess it just means who's the "Brett Favre" of the DL and there's your most dominant defensive player.

Production really doesn't matter apparently.

Which... was my point. Harrison is more productive, and he doesn't get to rush the QB every down. Also more consistent. If Mario Williams is in the discussion then someone who's more dominant and flat out produces more should be a relevant topic no?

But hey, if we're going all hype, throw me on the Mario Williams-train.

I could make an Argument that Aaron Smith is perhaps the Best 3-4 DE in the league.


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Old 10-06-2008, 05:25 AM    (permalink
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great, ur saying the guy on YOUR team is great and back it up with a comment by one of HIS teammates.
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:13 AM    (permalink
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I can't see a reason why Albert Haynesworth isn't the best player in the league currently. I might be a little biased because I remember how he singlehandedly wrecked the Saints, and he's been doing that to everyone.

He's easily my DPOY right now, and he has to be right up there in MVP, if the voting were legit.
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Old 10-06-2008, 09:00 AM    (permalink
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I can't see a reason why Albert Haynesworth isn't the best player in the league currently. I might be a little biased because I remember how he singlehandedly wrecked the Saints, and he's been doing that to everyone.

He's easily my DPOY right now, and he has to be right up there in MVP, if the voting were legit.
I agree completely. Haynesworth has been an absolute monster the past two seasons.
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Do you realize that in the history of the NFL there have been about 30-40 thousand games? I bet you that most non-Steelers fans don't even remember that game and it happened very recently.
51, you should know. Only Steelers games really count. Everything else is just a leadup to the main event, Pittsburgh vs. whomever.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:46 PM    (permalink
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51, you should know. Only Steelers games really count. Everything else is just a leadup to the main event, Pittsburgh vs. whomever.
imagine a Pittsburgh Giants game. OMG
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Mario Williams is the best DE in the league.
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The Colts had Charlie Johnson playing LT yesterday, that has a lot to do with what Mario Williams was able to do (Jared Allen only started making a noticeable impact against the Colts when Ugoh left), for example, somehow on one play the matchups ended up with Joseph Addai blocking Mario Williams one on one (needless to say, that ended in a sack), not only is that a horrible matchup, but it shows that Johnson does not belong at the LT spot.

That's not knocking Mario Williams, I think he's well on his way to becoming an elite NFL DE much to my dismay, all I'm saying is consider the opposition he faced to get those sacks. It's not quite Justice vs. Osi, but let's just say I'd MUCH rather have Tony Ugoh out there protecting Peyton's blindside.
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1. Haynesworth- Best player on the best defense for two years
2. Tuck- The new prototye
3. Mario- He was worth the pick
4. Any Steeler OLB- Im serious
5. Vikings starting DTS
17. Ray Lewis- Drug test was the worst LB on the Ravens last year now he is dominant again suspicious.
102. Osi got fat off sacks against Winston Justice and D'Brickshaw Ferguson last year.
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1. Haynesworth- Best player on the best defense for two years
2. Tuck- The new prototye
3. Mario- He was worth the pick
4. Any Steeler OLB- Im serious
5. Vikings starting DTS
17. Ray Lewis- Drug test was the worst LB on the Ravens last year now he is dominant again suspicious.
102. Osi got fat off sacks against Winston Justice and D'Brickshaw Ferguson last year.
Osi was set to have a monster year this year. In PS, he looked significantly better than Tuck did. Osi is still our best defensive player.

I agree with Haynesworth being the best linemen in football though.
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1. Haynesworth- Best player on the best defense for two years
2. Tuck- The new prototye
3. Mario- He was worth the pick
4. Any Steeler OLB- Im serious
5. Vikings starting DTS
17. Ray Lewis- Drug test was the worst LB on the Ravens last year now he is dominant again suspicious.
102. Osi got fat off sacks against Winston Justice and D'Brickshaw Ferguson last year.
James Harrison and Lamar Woodley are seriously both in the running for DPOY
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D-ware just wants everyone to know he has a sack in 8 straight games.

Consistency.
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D-ware just wants everyone to know he has a sack in 8 straight games.

Consistency.
Two of his 5 sacks have come with less than 2 minutes left when the Cowboys were up by more than 1 score (Green Bay, Cincinnati) and 1 came in the 4th quarter when the Cowboys were up 28-7 on the Browns. You could argue that only 2 of his sacks were meaningful and 1 of those, the one against the Eagles, was a complete coverage sack.
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Two of his 5 sacks have come with less than 2 minutes left when the Cowboys were up by more than 1 score (Green Bay, Cincinnati) and 1 came in the 4th quarter when the Cowboys were up 28-7 on the Browns. You could argue that only 2 of his sacks were meaningful and 1 of those, the one against the Eagles, was a complete coverage sack.
lmao. Tell that to the voters.


Mario is a great DE. Haynesworth is, hands down, "the best defensive player in the league."
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Ware is a great player but I just thought I would point that out.
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D-ware just wants everyone to know he has a sack in 8 straight games.

Consistency.
Oh stop it Burns. People don't like Cowboys fans talking about Cowboys players. The stats lie. Demarcus Ware is a scrub.
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Oh stop it Burns. People don't like Cowboys fans talking about Cowboys players. The stats lie. Demarcus Ware is a scrub.
DeMarcus is the best three-four outside linebacker in the league, but he's not playing on Haynesworth's level, no one is.
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D-ware just wants everyone to know he has a sack in 8 straight games.

Consistency.
Tony Romo just wants everyone to know he has a pick in 8 straight games.

Consistency.
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I hear you. I'm not knocking the argument. But the stats are the only #s that matter. Nobody is going to review tape and change their mind, otherwise Strahan wouldn't be the single season sack leader and Brady wouldn't be the single season record holder for TDs w/a few of his ugly jump balls to Randy. *cough* Dolphins DBs suck *cough*
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I hear you. I'm not knocking the argument. But the stats are the only #s that matter. Nobody is going to review tape and change their mind, otherwise Strahan wouldn't be the single season sack leader and Brady wouldn't be the single season record holder for TDs w/a few of his ugly jump balls to Randy. *cough* Dolphins DBs suck *cough*
True, true.
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Two of his 5 sacks have come with less than 2 minutes left when the Cowboys were up by more than 1 score (Green Bay, Cincinnati) and 1 came in the 4th quarter when the Cowboys were up 28-7 on the Browns. You could argue that only 2 of his sacks were meaningful and 1 of those, the one against the Eagles, was a complete coverage sack.
Hahaha, that's fantastic. Nice leg work.
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Hahaha, that's fantastic. Nice leg work.
Thanks. It actually wasn't that hard thanks to the play-by-play on nfl.com. The only reason I even bothered is because I have watched every Cowboy game this year and it seemed like he would always get a sack late in the game.
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Mario Williams is the most overrated player on NFLDC, posters love to slurp him up. Seeing him ranked as the best DE in the league in another thread was funny. Too bad his impact during the game isn't close to his season numbers.
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Mario Williams is the most overrated player on NFLDC, posters love to slurp him up. Seeing him ranked as the best DE in the league in another thread was funny. Too bad his impact during the game isn't close to his season numbers.
Stats.....lie. Especially when it comes to sacks and splash numbers like that.

Towards the end of the Bengals/'Boys game the 'Boys were getting coverage sacks like no other, those on paper can make some mediocre players look really good.

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Mario Williams is the most overrated player on NFLDC, posters love to slurp him up. Seeing him ranked as the best DE in the league in another thread was funny. Too bad his impact during the game isn't close to his season numbers.
This is a bit funny coming from someone that overrates his favorite players as well. Mario Williams might be overrated on these boards (as far as being the best player in the league or ever, as some might argue) but that means nothing. He's still a top three defensive end, and the way he disrupts timing and protections for the offense is second to none. Not to mention his stellar run defense.
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