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Old 10-29-2008, 05:38 PM    (permalink
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So my question is, at what point does Albert Haynseworth become undeniable? 10-0? 13-0?
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It's more of a question of Haynesworth and what he does, his effect, than just the Titans' record I think. Now defensive POTY, at least that focuses on the defensive side of the ball.

For me Drew Brees is the clear-cut frontrunner for MVP, and he has a sizeable lead.
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Has a defensive player ever won league MVP?

If it has happened Im guessing it was a linebacker.

For a defensive linemen to get it wow.


Im guessing this is the best chance it could ever happen though.


It depends on the Titans record. They need to win at least 14 games I think for him to get serious consideration.

That and/or someone like Drew Brees should be on a team that has so many losses that it would be embarassing to give it to him. Like if the Saints finish several games under .500 and last place in the division
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Has a defensive player ever won league MVP?

If it has happened Im guessing it was a linebacker.

For a defensive linemen to get it wow.


Im guessing this is the best chance it could ever happen though.


It depends on the Titans record. They need to win at least 14 games I think for him to get serious consideration.

That and/or someone like Drew Brees should be on a team that has so many losses that it would be embarassing to give it to him. Like if the Saints finish several games under .500 and last place in the division
I believe Lawrence Taylor won the MVP at OLB, so yes I am sure more defensive players have won it too.

My choice for MVP is Clinton Portis, he has been so unbelievably good this year. He has like 700 yards and 7 TDs, and counting, I know he definitely leads the league in rushing. Without Portis, the Redskins would be a mediocre team, not on the verge on greatness they are on now.
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I believe Lawrence Taylor won the MVP at OLB, so yes I am sure more defensive players have won it too.

My choice for MVP is Clinton Portis, he has been so unbelievably good this year. He has like 700 yards and 7 TDs, and counting, I know he definitely leads the league in rushing. Without Portis, the Redskins would be a mediocre team, not on the verge on greatness they are on now.
Try 944 yards 5.0 ypc.
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Try 944 yards 5.0 ypc.
Wow, thats even better than what I thought, I think if he doesn't get inured he is MVP locked. He has easily been the best RB in the league this year, and I think he is the best player as well.
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Has a defensive player ever won league MVP?

If it has happened Im guessing it was a linebacker.

For a defensive linemen to get it wow.


Im guessing this is the best chance it could ever happen though.


It depends on the Titans record. They need to win at least 14 games I think for him to get serious consideration.

That and/or someone like Drew Brees should be on a team that has so many losses that it would be embarassing to give it to him. Like if the Saints finish several games under .500 and last place in the division
There has been two Defensive players to receive the MVP. Lawrence Taylor is one of them and then Alan Page who was a Defensive Tackle like Haynesworth.

Then i found this odd. In 1982, Mark Moseley a Placekicker won the MVP. Given that it was the Strike year for the NFL it is still surprising that a placekicker could win the MVP.
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No offense to Portis, but I think it shows it is a bad year when he is leading it. I'm just not seeing the 'wow' factor I usually see with MVPs.

His production looks like 'wow', but I just don't see it watching him.

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No offense to Portis, but I think it shows it is a bad year when he is leading it. I'm just not seeing the 'wow' factor I usually see with MVPs.

His production looks like 'wow', but I just don't see it watching him.

IDK.
120+ yards in 5 straight games doesn't 'wow' you?

Through LTs 2006 MVP season, his first 8 games only totaled 765 yards.
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No offense to Portis, but I think it shows it is a bad year when he is leading it. I'm just not seeing the 'wow' factor I usually see with MVPs.

His production looks like 'wow', but I just don't see it watching him.

IDK.
I don't know how you can say that when hes on pace to get nearly 1900 yards. Portis doesn't have that wow factor like LT, he is a more of a grind it out runner and he doesn't get into the endzone as much as some would want from an mvp but 944 yards and 7 td's is definitely pretty elite. If you also watch him play you realize he is one of the toughest rb's in the nfl and imo the best blocking rb in the nfl.
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120+ yards in 5 straight games doesn't 'wow' you?

Through LTs 2006 MVP season, his first 8 games only totaled 765 yards.
LT finished with 28 rushing TDs though.

Drew Brees has more of a wow factor, he has put up huge numbers and is on pace to break Dan Marino's record for passing yards. He doesn't have any Randy Moss or T.O. or Marvin Harrison. He is doing it with an injury plagued lineup relying on receivers like Devery Henderson and Lance Moore. Before Bush went out he had at least one great threat, but even with Bush out he still put up great stats.
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I don't know how you can say that when hes on pace to get nearly 1900 yards. Portis doesn't have that wow factor like LT, he is a more of a grind it out runner and he doesn't get into the endzone as much as some would want from an mvp but 944 yards and 7 td's is definitely pretty elite. If you also watch him play you realize he is one of the toughest rb's in the nfl and imo the best blocking rb in the nfl.
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5.2 yards per carry
28 rushing touchdowns
508 receiving yards
9.1 yards per catch
3 receiving touchdowns
2,323 total offensive yards
31 total touchdowns

Clinton Portis (2008 on pace for)
1,888 rushing yards
5.0 yards per carry
14 rushing touchdowns
154 receiving yards
7.0 yards per catch
0 receiving touchdowns
2,042 total offensive yards
14 total touchdowns

Portis has a slight edge in rushing yards due to him having more carries, but other wise Tomlinson basically smashes him in every catagory. No contest, really.

At this point I would vote for Albert Haynesworth, then Portis. If Brees can get the Saints some wins then he would be up there.
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What's most impressive is Portis is racking up crazy yards despite every single one of his carries being tough carries.
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I don't know how you can say Portis has tough carries, where other MVP candidates like LT, Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders have had "easy carries".

That being said, Portis is the MVP right now. No, he hasn't had any amazing games. But what has been amazing is the consistenct effort he brings to the Redskins. Brees is a close runnerup. Rivers gets my third vote.

Long way to go though. I always expect running backs to begin to fall off in the second half of a season (although they do prove me wrong).
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portis is one of the most consistent runners in the league, hes not gonna bust out for too many long runs like lt, and he still has a 5 ypc. I'd like to see a stat for percentage of carries over three yards.
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Man Portis is awesome, and I'm a Skins fan but I can't think that he is the best back in football... I still think BWest is the best back in football but as far as production Portis has the nod this year... This race is going to come down to Brees and Portis unless they collapse and Kurt Warner or Phillip Rivers give them a run...
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If everybody holds up and produces something in the second half that they have in the first:

Joey Porter for DPOY. Head Stopper might get the love due to the record, but Porter has been an absolute beast for the Tuna. He's eyeing the Strahan record. Wonder if Favre will fall down for him if he needs an extra sack?

If Brees is on pace in week 14 to break Marino's record, then I think he'll get MVP, with Portis being tossed the bone of OPOY. If he isn't on pace to break it, maybe it gets reversed, especially if the 'Skins are challenging for the NFC East title prior to the voting.
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If everybody holds up and produces something in the second half that they have in the first:

Joey Porter for DPOY. Head Stopper might get the love due to the record, but Porter has been an absolute beast for the Tuna. He's eyeing the Strahan record. Wonder if Favre will fall down for him if he needs an extra sack?

If Brees is on pace in week 14 to break Marino's record, then I think he'll get MVP, with Portis being tossed the bone of OPOY. If he isn't on pace to break it, maybe it gets reversed, especially if the 'Skins are challenging for the NFC East title prior to the voting.
I think this all depends on which team is winning... Historically the MVP has gone to a person on a team that is playoff bound... If the Saints aren't playoff bound I see those awards flipped in that Portis would get MVP and Brees OPOY...
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It's gonna be a tough choice for MVP and DPOTY. Not trying to be a homer, but just because I get to watch the Jets play every week, I wanna throw out Kris Jenkins to get some consideration for both. He's been playing like a man possessed and has transformed that defense from one of the worst rush D's in the entire league to one of the best. The addition of Pace has helped, but it's Jenkins' superb play at the NT position that has transformed that team. I can say for certain that he has been the most dominant and valuable player on the jets this year, and that includes favre.
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Dpoy is a lock, it's Albert Haynesworth, and it isn't remotely close, and he should really be MVP IMO.
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Warner - 2431 Passing Yards, 16 TD, 6 INT, 69.9%, 104.2 QB Rat(5-3)
Brees - 2563 Passing Yards, 15 TD, 7 INT, 69.1%, 101.6 QB Rat(4-4)

Warner Wins, all hail the 3X MVP!
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No Kyle Orton love? I mean he was actually a good QB on the Bears. I stress was because the football gods saw he was a Bear and struck him down. If any of you dont know, Im kidding.

MVP- Brees because hes in the midst of breaking a record.
OPOY-Portis- Hes doing a damn good job.
DPOY-Haynesworth- i still dont like him due to the stomping incident (no i wont let it go), but he is playing out of his mind right now. A truly unblockable player.
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Warner - 2431 Passing Yards, 16 TD, 6 INT, 69.9%, 104.2 QB Rat(5-3)
Brees - 2563 Passing Yards, 15 TD, 7 INT, 69.1%, 101.6 QB Rat(4-4)

Warner Wins, all hail the 3X MVP!
Has he done it with a patchwork WR corp and a half of a running back?
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