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Old 10-16-2008, 03:26 PM    (permalink
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...e=hotread5/MVP

ESPN debates Brees vs. Rivers for MVP. That QB controversy we had a while back has really, really, REALLY turned into a no-lose situation.
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Its gotta be one of those two right now, and Rivers is playing amazing football, but its gotta be Brees if its one or the other.
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Even as a chargers fan i have to give it to Brees for now, hes playing crazy good right now.
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I'm still on the Brees train as well, but it is very close for me at the moment.
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If Brees and Rivers were leading Portis in MVP voting prior to this week, they definitely trail him going into this coming up week. Rivers played decently 22/29 for 208 yards 2 TD's, 1 INT, but they lost 24-13 to the Bills. Drew Brees was 21-39 for 231 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT in a 30-7 loss to the Panthers. I understand though that both QB's were missing weapons. Portis singe handedly carried his team to victory with 27 carries, 175 yards and a TD. The fumble hurt, but if it weren't for him they wouldn't have put up any points on the board. Just comparing the RB's no one really compares to CP right now:

Clinton Portis: 818 rushing yards, 5.0 ypc, 7 TD's, 117 yards per game
Adrian Peterson: 684 yards rushing, 4.5 ypc, 5 TD's, 97.7 yards per game
Michael Turner(Has had a bye): 597 yards, 4.7 ypc, 6 TD's, 99.5 yards per game
Marion Barber: 540 yards, 4.2 ypc, 5 TD's, 77 yards per game.

Considering Portis leads the league in rush attempts his yards per carry is ridiculous especially compared to guys like Barber, Warrick Dunn, Jones-Drew, who share carries. For as many rushes Portis gets, even 3.8-4 ypc would be decent. But 5, that's crazy.
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At this point even I have to agree about Portis. He's been beastly this year(like usual.) but I still don't see him making it through 16 games. There's something about him that makes an injury inevitable.
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At this point even I have to agree about Portis. He's been beastly this year(like usual.) but I still don't see him making it through 16 games. There's something about him that makes an injury inevitable.
True he runs more physically than almost any other back in the league, has huge workload, and unloads in pass protection, but he played just like this last season and played a full season. Two years before that he played a full season. 2006 was really the only season when he missed significant time. Other than 2006, he's never missed more than 3 games in a single season. **Knock on wood**
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and we still get to play the lions
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Portis is definitely the front runner right now.
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I think if the Cardinals were like the Dallas or New York Cardinals, than Fitzy would get more consideration for the MVP. How about Albert Haynseworth?
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Im going to throw out some names for food for thought.

MVP: Clinton Portis
DMVP: Charles Woodson. I know a case can be made for Haynesworth and this might be my homer talking since Ive watched every Packers game this year but Woodson has come up with too many big plays in the absence of Al Harris to not be atleast considered.
OROY: Chris Johnson/Matt Ryan. How can it not be one of these guys? The impact that each of these rookies has had on the turnaround on their now respective teams is undeniable. Johnson is 5th in rushing as of this moment and Ryan has last year's doormat atop the NFC South. Mind you, this can and probably will change at the end of the year but thus far its one of these guys with no clear cut favorite.
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I like Big Ben, he has taken beatings and just keeps coming back, without Parker too.
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What do you guys think of aaron rodgers (if he keeps at this pace)? currently leading the leaque in total td's..
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The nod after this week goes to Portis.
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portis is just a man, the presence that he brings to the table when he lines up is crazy.
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It should be Portis without question. Brees went into Carolina and have a big goose egg.
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What do you guys think of aaron rodgers (if he keeps at this pace)? currently leading the leaque in total td's..
I honestly dont think its out of the question but being that he doesnt light up any categories week in and week out doesnt make him a bandwagon favorite.
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Can't we just give it to the collective play of the Titans and make it easier... :(

I'm going with Portis now though. Without Bush, Brees' game is a lot easier to defend IMO and I think people will realize that Bush meant a lot more to that offense than originally believed.
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Kyle Orton deserves it before Aaron Rodgers...outside TD's they are nearly identical, and Orton has done it with worse WRs

either way, neither should be considered right now IMO seeing as they are behind Brees, Rivers, Portis, maybe even Turner and Cutler
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Kyle Orton deserves it before Aaron Rodgers...outside TD's they are nearly identical, and Orton has done it with worse WRs

either way, neither should be considered right now IMO seeing as they are behind Brees, Rivers, Portis, maybe even Turner and Cutler
I give the nod to Rodgers over Orton easily. I think you have to take into account his leadership this year and as much as I hate to use it in favor of Rodgers, the whole Brett Favre saga that led up to the season. He's handled it all well and performed at a high level. But unless Rodgers puts on the jets, no Favre reference intended, and gets to the top of any passing categories, I dont think he has a legitimate shot. Only because he doesnt have flashy numbers. But watching him play, he makes very few mistakes and shows great poise. Remember hes led this team without a running game to this point, once Grant gets going its going to be interesting to see what number Rodgers puts up. Ill give him an outside, very outside shot at MVP.
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If meaning 'Most Valuable Player', as in whose team would be horrible without them, then I think Brees is the guy. I don't think the Saints would even be competitive without Brees. When Portis got hurt in 2006 Ladell Betts had a great year, and I think the Chargers would still compete without Rivers.

Also, I know this will sound rediculous, but Matt Ryan has been extremely important to his team. Not a frontrunner and really not in consideration, but if I made a list he would make top 10. He makes us, the Falcons, so much better.
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If meaning 'Most Valuable Player', as in whose team would be horrible without them, then I think Brees is the guy. I don't think the Saints would even be competitive without Brees. When Portis got hurt in 2006 Ladell Betts had a great year, and I think the Chargers would still compete without Rivers.

Also, I know this will sound rediculous, but Matt Ryan has been extremely important to his team. Not a frontrunner and really not in consideration, but if I made a list he would make top 10. He makes us, the Falcons, so much better.
the value discussion is old. stats+wins=MVP
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