So, who should we hire as the New OL/OC after the season

Mr. Stiller · 10-14-2008, 01:54 PM

Zierlein and Arians need to go..

Who replaces them?

My opinion:

OC: Norm Chow(UCLA) Galen Hall (PSU)
OL: Stacy Searles (UGA/LSU)

mikehop05 · 10-14-2008, 02:17 PM

I dont know... Ben likes BA, and imo the problem for the offensive line is not the scheme, it is the execution

But back to the BA thing... Ben and BA have a pretty good relationship, BA not be the best play caller, but it is really important that your franchise, stud QB and your OC respect each other and get along well.

And imo both of those replacements do not adjust well into the NFL, we cannot run the spread like the do in college, Chow may be a little better suited than Hall but even still if we do make a change I would rather have Mike Malarkey back than one of these guys.

Mr. Stiller · 10-14-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mikehop05

I dont know... Ben likes BA, and imo the problem for the offensive line is not the scheme, it is the execution

But back to the BA thing... Ben and BA have a pretty good relationship, BA not be the best play caller, but it is really important that your franchise, stud QB and your OC respect each other and get along well.

And imo both of those replacements do not adjust well into the NFL, we cannot run the spread like the do in college, Chow may be a little better suited than Hall but even still if we do make a change I would rather have Mike Malarkey back than one of these guys.

Mularkey? No way.

b316 · 10-14-2008, 02:21 PM

We need an OC that knows what the power running game is. BA is just a horrible play caller.

Mr. Stiller · 10-14-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bhaarat316

We need an OC that knows what the power running game is. BA is just a horrible play caller.

Ok..

Here's where I'll ask you to take a deep breath and rethink.

How would we manifest a power running game?

With our 210lb 4.3 Speed RB that does best on the edge?
With our 215lb 4.44 Backup RB that does best in space?
With our 205lb 4.59 Third Down back that does well as a receiver and a few draws?

You really want to bring a "Power Running Offense" to a team with a finesse OL and a speed oriented backfield?

Isn't that what Arians is doing with Parker?

Add the fact that you have one of the highest (I think #2) Paid QB's in the league.. why not make a Balanced spread style offense oriented around him?

b316 · 10-14-2008, 02:51 PM

Just not fan of the spread thats all. How bout a Balance run.

mikehop05 · 10-14-2008, 03:46 PM

I wasn't saying I want Mularkey back, just that I would rather have him than Chow or Galen

Loggerhead · 10-14-2008, 04:36 PM

This is going to sound crazy but I think once Nolan and Martz get canned in San Fran we should hire Martz. In Detroit and so far in San Fran he has done a lot with nada. He has San Fran up to TWELTH in the league in points. Their offense sucked balls last year and Martz has now has them scoring 23.5 a game. He utilizes the talent around him better then any other offensive coordinator in the league and his players love playing for him. People mention the relationship about BA and Big Ben and I think Martz and him would have a great one too. Kitna and most of the offense said great things about him when he left except for Tatum Bell who is a turd. I think we have the personell for Martz to take the next level and BA is holding us back.

mikehop05 · 10-14-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Loggerhead

This is going to sound crazy but I think Nolan and Martz are going to get canned in San Fran. I would love to have Martz as OC. In Detroit and so far in San Fran he has done a lot with nada. He has San Fran up to TWELTH in the league in points. Their offense sucked balls last year and Martz has now has them scoring 23.5 a game. He utilizes the talent around him better then other offensive coordinator in the league, his players love playing for him. People mention the relationship about BA and Big Ben and I think Martz and him would have a great one too. Kitna and most of the offense said great things about him when he left except for Tatum Bell who is a turd. I think we have the personell for Martz to take the next level and BA is holding us back.

Disagree entirely, we are still a team that likes to run the ball, and thats just not Martz's style. We dont have the type of back to catch the ball out of the backfield like he does with Gore, and before with Faulk... the guy is an ego-maniac and i dont want that type of attitude with this team.

Loggerhead · 10-14-2008, 06:07 PM

Dude right now Gore has 524 yards and is averaging 4.9 ypc. If we got a Martz I don't think the running game would suffer, I think it would improve because opponents would focus on stopping our passing game. Next year Sweed should be good to go which means we should go three wide IMO. With Martz at the helm I think we would have one hell of an offense.

Mr. Stiller · 10-14-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Loggerhead

Dude right now Gore has 524 yards and is averaging 4.9 ypc. If we got a Martz I don't think the running game would suffer, I think it would improve because opponents would focus on stopping our passing game. Next year Sweed should be good to go which means we should go three wide IMO. With Martz at the helm I think we would have one hell of an offense.

Eh, I think Martz is basically Bruce Arians, just iwthout the ******** runs up the middle.

THere's a reason he got fired in Detroit & St. Louis

mikehop05 · 10-14-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Loggerhead

Dude right now Gore has 524 yards and is averaging 4.9 ypc. If we got a Martz I don't think the running game would suffer, I think it would improve because opponents would focus on stopping our passing game. Next year Sweed should be good to go which means we should go three wide IMO. With Martz at the helm I think we would have one hell of an offense.

Parker was averaging 87.7 yds a game before his injury, Gore is averaging 87.3.

Loggerhead · 10-14-2008, 07:30 PM

My point wasn't to compare Willie to Gore. Gore is almost averaging 5 ypc while Fast Willie averages 4.0, and they are 2 totally different types of backs. What I was saying is that people were bitching about Martz not running the ball enough and so far this year I'd say San Fran has had a very effective running game. He was fired in Detroit because Millen/Marinelli needed a scapegoat and was fired in St. Louis because he had issues with the Rams FO namely Jay Zygmunt.

mikehop05 · 10-14-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Loggerhead

My point wasn't to compare Willie to Gore. Gore is almost averaging 5 ypc while Fast Willie averages 4.0, and they are 2 totally different types of backs. What I was saying is that people were bitching about Martz not running the ball enough and so far this year I'd say San Fran has had a very effective running game. He was fired in Detroit because Millen/Marinelli needed a scapegoat and was fired in St. Louis because he had issues with the Rams FO namely Jay Zygmunt.

He gets fired because he is a prick. I am not saying he isn't talented, but we don't need a guy like him coming in demanding things be done his way and quite possibly pissing ben off.

skarocksoi · 10-15-2008, 09:38 PM

Big no on Galen Hall. He's as bad as Arians in my opinion. Horrible playcalls at horrible times and is completely unimaginative. Plus, its a question as to who even created the plays in PSU's Spread HD package; him or Jay Paterno. I believe they split the playcalling duties too. Galen's two best years in the past several have been 2005 and now 2008; two years with talented, athletic QB's that can make plays when things break down.

DeathbyStat · 10-16-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by skarocksoi

Big no on Galen Hall. He's as bad as Arians in my opinion. Horrible playcalls at horrible times and is completely unimaginative. Plus, its a question as to who even created the plays in PSU's Spread HD package; him or Jay Paterno. I believe they split the playcalling duties too. Galen's two best years in the past several have been 2005 and now 2008; two years with talented, athletic QB's that can make plays when things break down.

Galen Hall is awfull

Mr. Stiller · 10-16-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by skarocksoi

Big no on Galen Hall. He's as bad as Arians in my opinion. Horrible playcalls at horrible times and is completely unimaginative. Plus, its a question as to who even created the plays in PSU's Spread HD package; him or Jay Paterno. I believe they split the playcalling duties too. Galen's two best years in the past several have been 2005 and now 2008; two years with talented, athletic QB's that can make plays when things break down.

Isn't that what our team is actually kind of Geared for?

And I think the Paterno's have had Hall pretty restricted in his playcalling in between those 2 years.

You just don't have 2 great seasons that sporadically. Lets not forget Morelli was one of the Worst QB's I've ever seen.

Mr. Stiller · 10-28-2008, 02:45 PM

We need an OC to setup the Pass with the Run and vice versa. We have the Tools to run a 2005-2006 Indy Offense.

Reliable Vet WR... Check
Speedy Young WR... Check
Speedy Young #3... Check
Shifty RB... Check (MeMo)
Pass Cathing TE Threat.. Check
Backup Pass Catching TE. THreat... Check

Then we have Parker, Mendenhall, Sweed on top of that.

How there can't be 1 guy out there that could make this an elite offense with an identity is pathetic.

b316 · 10-28-2008, 03:53 PM

Washington need to be resigned for next year, so number 3 is up in the air right now.

Most important thing for that offense to have success is an O-line that can block.

Mr. Goosemahn · 10-28-2008, 05:20 PM

I think we should take a look at someone from the Tennessee Volunteers. Not sure if it would be their o-line coach or their offensive coordinator, but I know they gave up only 3 sacks to QB Erik Ainge during the 2007 season. Ainge ended up with 325 completions out of 519 attempts, 3522 yards, 31 TD's, 10 INT', and a QB rating of 135.48.

Mr. Stiller · 10-28-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bhaarat316

Washington need to be resigned for next year, so number 3 is up in the air right now.

Most important thing for that offense to have success is an O-line that can block.

Part of that goes to Coaching.

You scheme around what talent you have.

When you have an OL that struggles holding the pass rush for long, you utilize quicker routes and faster developing plays.

You utilize Screen adn 3 step drops.

Whens the last time we ran a successful Screen or Stayed utilizing the quick pass to ward off the rush.

Loggerhead · 10-28-2008, 06:02 PM

OL- Tom Cable. Al Davis is going to can him and he has done wanders for Oaklands OL.

Mr. Stiller · 10-29-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Loggerhead

OL- Tom Cable. Al Davis is going to can him and he has done wanders for Oaklands OL.

I'm between Cable and Stacy Searles of Georgia..

OC:

Norm Chow (OC UCLA)
Brian Billick (Analyst)
Scott Linehan (Free Agent)
Tony Franklin (Fired from Auburn)
Steve Logan (Boston College)

Hines · 10-30-2008, 11:49 AM

Lane Kiffen OC

awfullyquiet · 10-30-2008, 12:08 PM

i think they're both going to stay.

sorry. that's just the way it goes.