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Old 10-14-2008, 10:12 PM    (permalink
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Couch was a very good player in a really bad situation and did what he could. Eli is maturing into a very solid QB. If Eli keeps improving he will be much better than Couch. It is really hard to compare the two though.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:45 PM    (permalink
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Stats are EVERYTHING for a QB, I mean just ask Romo and his two playoff duds, if you dont have good regular season stats theres NO way you can win a superbowl. You win superbowls in the regular season not in the playoffs.
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Carson is in just as much of a bad situation as Tim Couch and he isn't buckling under the pressure. I mean look at what he deals with. It's downright horrid. At least the Browns were having high draft picks to get Couch some help. The Bengals have taken 2 CB's, 2 LB's and a busted RB in their last 4 first round draft picks. Not a single player to help Carson and the the one moron that should have his back no matter is a complete clown and is more worried about his changing of his name then making his chemstry with Carson the most important thing.

C'mon guys, you know Eli is good and is worthy of being picked in the top 5. I'm not saying he is on Carson, Peyton, Marino, Elway, Aikman and other #1 overall QB's, but considering what they have gotten out of him he is worth the pick and definitly worth being at least respected guys. Look at Sexy Rexy. He had a phenom defense and a 2 headed monster running for him along with solid WR's and a solid O-Line, and Rexy is just downright horrid. Eli is good, he is very good. I wouldn't put him in top 5 in the NFL but certainly a franchise QB.
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Yes, clearly Couch's 75.1 QB rating proves he is a better QB than Eli Manning with his 74.8 QB rating. In much the same way it proves Chad Pennington (89.5), Trent Green (86.7) and Marc Bulger (87.4) are better quarterbacks than Dan Marino (86.38), Brett Favre (86.0) and Johnny Unitas (78.2).
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Yes, clearly Couch's 75.1 QB rating proves he is a better QB than Eli Manning with his 74.8 QB rating. In much the same way it proves Chad Pennington (89.5), Trent Green (86.7) and Marc Bulger (87.4) are better quarterbacks than Dan Marino (86.38), Brett Favre (86.0) and Johnny Unitas (78.2).
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there you go. For the record, I am in no way advocating Couch is better, just that the whole " The QB won the ring" this is ********."
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This shows several things.

First of all, it shows that Couch isn't as bad as everyone generally remembers him to be. He was in a bad position, and won some games and made many plays. Couch is not out of the league because of his play, he is out of the league because he hurt his throwing arm and never really recovered.

Secondly, it shows just how bad Eli Manning has been, at times, in his career. Revisionist history is a beautiful thing, especially in New York circa 2008, but people will remember that around this same time last year (ok, starting in November, but close) there was a large contingent of people calling for Manning's job! Yes, the same guy who would be a Super Bowl winning QB just months later was beleaguered by his own media AND fanbase. Eli had moments of brilliance, but there were times (see CLE 35, NY 14) where he literally killed the team single-handedly.

Finally, it shows that few people understand the purpose or methodology of the QB rating system. The formula works based upon four components:

1) Comp%; this represents the efficiency portion of the components, and reflects how often a QB is successful when attempting a pass.
2) YPA, or yards per attempt.
3) TD%, or frequency of touchdowns per attempt. Along with #2, these represent the "explosiveness" or reward portion of the system.
4) Int%, or frequency of INTs per attempt. This constitutes the risk portion of the system.

Each component is assigned a scale, which produces a score ranging from 0-2.375. These four scores are added up and then multiplied by 100/6 or 16.66666 (repeating). That is why the maximum QB rating is 158.3, because 2.375+2.375+2.375+2.375=9.5, while 9.5 x 16.66666 (or 100/6) = 158.3. Voila!

I don't think anyone can argue with the basis of the system. You want to complete as many passes as you can, for as many yards as you can, while scoring as often as possible, all while not turning the ball over. Think that covers it? Absolutely it does.

One of the chinks in its armor, though, is the assigned gradient or scale that each component carries. For example, the calculation for comp% is the following:

(((Comp/Att) x 100) -30)/20

For example, Drew Brees posted a 67.5% score. This would be times by 100, producing 67.5. 30 is subtracted from that, producing 37.5, which is then divided by 20, giving you a season score of 1.875 (out of a possible 2.375) for that component.

Here is where it gets interesting. This system was developed in 1973, with the intent that 66.6 be the average score for an NFL QB. That would translate to a score of 1.00 on each scale. Not so fast. As NFL passing evolved, the gradients shifted independently of each other. An average performance by league standards in one component would yield a different score (on the 0-2.375 scale) than an average performance in another component.

For example: in 2007, the 33 QBs who had the attempts to qualify posted the following averages in each component for the season:

Comp%: 61.77%
YPA: 6.95
TD%: 4.176
INT%: 3.100

Each of those average component scores would yield the following scores:

61.77% completions ----> 1.589
6.95 YPA -------------> .9875
4.176 TD% -----------> .835
3.100%---------------> 1.600

As you can see (and this is only last season, for a more thorough analysis I would need to run the numbers for several seasons), the components for comp% and Int% have gotten wildly out of whack with what the original intent of the was, while TD percentages has actually fallen off from where it had originally been pegged.


Ultimately, in application to Eli Manning and his poor rating, it is worth noting that his weakest areas, comp%(at a deviation of 9.2% below the average, it doesn't seem that bad, but if computed it standard deviations it would look much worse) and Int%(his INT% was a whopping 22.6% worse than the average NFL QB) are the ones most heavily weighed in today's passer rating formula. While his strongest, TD% (at +3.0% of the average, it was the only component in which he was above par, finishing 13th overall) is the least weighted.



All of this, though, is beyond the real point. Statistics should not be used as an end-all be-all for evaluating a players ability or even his performance. They should be used as a reference, in combination with our observations and analysis. At this time last year, it was generally considered that Eli was a mediocre, if not below average, NFL QB, whose strongest quality was his ability to excel in clutch situations and rise to the moment--a quality which is impossible to capture with statistics--but still ultimately a mediocre QB.

What happened in the playoffs does not change what he was before. However, his excellent performance in those playoffs is also reflected in his passer rating, as it rose from a below average 73.9 to 95.7, a number that would place him among the elite passers if he could sustain it for an entire season.

Finally, the Eli we saw in the playoffs has returned for an encore performance (at least so far this year). Everyone says he looks like a "made man", and is playing so much better this season. The best way to quantify stats is to monitor how well they reflect the obvious. His passer rating this season? 91.4.

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In short. The QB rating statistic is **** and Eli is better than it makes him out to be....but he still sucks. He shows up against ****** defenses and ***** up against good defenses. Once again the stats lie. Maybe they should weigh how good the defenses are when calculating the QB passer rating.

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In short. The QB rating statistic is **** and Eli is better than it makes him out to be....but he still sucks. He shows up against ****** defenses and ***** up against good defenses. Once again the stats lie. Maybe they should weigh how good the defenses are when calculating the QB passer rating.
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DMW, are you ******* serious? Eli single handedly lost the Giants the Monday night game? god forbid the defense stop the run, or Braylon Edwards or get a pass rush.

and it's the ******* new york media, every big name players name has been mentioned in getting the axe, it's how it ******* goes.

why don't you go suck on the cowboys greatest secondary ever?
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DMW, are you ******* serious? Eli single handedly lost the Giants the Monday night game? god forbid the defense stop the run, or Braylon Edwards or get a pass rush.

and it's the ******* new york media, every big name players name has been mentioned in getting the axe, it's how it ******* goes.

why don't you go suck on the cowboys greatest secondary ever?
Maybe I'm misreading his post. But didn't he actually argue that Eli has indeed translated his playoff(clutch) form into this season based on his average QB rating in the playoffs compared to his QB rating so far this year?

Just on the Couch issue. It doesn't hurt Eli that he has been given EVERY chance to succeed. He's been surrounded by talent. The Giants management has drafted EXTREMELY well. They have pushed out malcontents who might make his fragile ego show(Tiki and Shockey... Hell even Strahan)... He's had the confidence of his coach since being drafted and replacing Kurt Warner in his rookie season despite what is seen as piss poor play.

The Browns stuck with Couch but that was about as far as the support went.

Couch might have made a good impact at the Giants had he been in Eli's situation. Support and stability can make or break a QB. Check Alex Smith for that...
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Yes, clearly Couch's 75.1 QB rating proves he is a better QB than Eli Manning with his 74.8 QB rating. In much the same way it proves Chad Pennington (89.5), Trent Green (86.7) and Marc Bulger (87.4) are better quarterbacks than Dan Marino (86.38), Brett Favre (86.0) and Johnny Unitas (78.2).
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