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Old 02-08-2009, 01:45 PM    (permalink
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Are you mental? What makes you think that Orakpo would get past Buffalo?
Because Pettigrew will be available at 11. ;)
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Because Pettigrew will be available at 11. ;)

I would be very surprised if Buffalo draft a TE with the 1st pick. I reckon they will pick Everett Brown in the 1st & Chase Coffman with the 2nd pick. I think the Giants will pick Pettigrew in the 2nd round.
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1) Brian Orapko 64 260 LB Texas- Instant Starter at OLB, tough, physical, the next shawne merriman
The only scenario where Orakpo goes to Miami is if they trade up. Are you willing to trade away picks to trade up into the probable top 10 area?
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I would be very surprised if Buffalo draft a TE with the 1st pick. I reckon they will pick Everett Brown in the 1st & Chase Coffman with the 2nd pick. I think the Giants will pick Pettigrew in the 2nd round.
The real question here is, did you just say "reckon"?
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The real question here is, did you just say "reckon"?
Yeah. Did I miss something?
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The only scenario where Orakpo goes to Miami is if they trade up. Are you willing to trade away picks to trade up into the probable top 10 area?
Players drop all the time come draft day...Phillip Merling, Mathias Kiwanuka come to mind as recent pass rushers whose stocks dropped as it got closer to the draft.
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Plus this was made in early November.
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The dolphins are pretty set at offense and as many had said they need a better secondary. ALl they have to do is put Chad Henne in for the win
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I wouldn't exactly call the offense "set", A big physical WR and a bigger center would be of need.
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Plus this was made in early November.
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We were expected to be picking in the 15 range when this was made guys.
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Definitely not a screaming need and a bit of a surprise. Lesean McCoy, RB, Pitt. He is an excellent between the tackles guy with the ability to get outside. He also has great hands and is used to being a workhorse RB in a pro style offense. It may be a bit off the wall, but if they are truly looking at best player available at #25, I think he would be a great choice. Team him up with Henne and you have your future RB and QB locked up with your OT's. I think it would be a great choice...
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Maybe if we was around with our early 2nd round pick but even then it's bleh. We have too many holes at DB and WR and LB to take a RB in the first when we have Ronnie. Not to mention I'm extremely bleh on McCoy. Ronnie dances enough as it is, don't need a small back doing that. McCoy is basically Reggie Bush but not as good of a receiver. Taking another back wouldn't be a bad idea in maybe the 4th round, but we don't have the luxury of taking one in the first.
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Maybe if we was around with our early 2nd round pick but even then it's bleh. We have too many holes at DB and WR and LB to take a RB in the first when we have Ronnie. Not to mention I'm extremely bleh on McCoy. Ronnie dances enough as it is, don't need a small back doing that. McCoy is basically Reggie Bush but not as good of a receiver. Taking another back wouldn't be a bad idea in maybe the 4th round, but we don't have the luxury of taking one in the first.
Although the NFL in recent years has become more and more of a 2-back league system, then I don't see Lesean McCoy as a type of a player who can take many carries during a game.

His blocking is not something to be exicited about either.
Yet, I find him still atraktiv to our offence, because I actually have been a little bit tired of Ricky Williams after this season.

He could be an option, but Im still hoping that we choose to pick something other than RB in the first round.
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Maybe if we was around with our early 2nd round pick but even then it's bleh. We have too many holes at DB and WR and LB to take a RB in the first when we have Ronnie. Not to mention I'm extremely bleh on McCoy. Ronnie dances enough as it is, don't need a small back doing that. McCoy is basically Reggie Bush but not as good of a receiver. Taking another back wouldn't be a bad idea in maybe the 4th round, but we don't have the luxury of taking one in the first.

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Would you consider McCoy small? 5'11 210 is pretty good. No one will mistake him for Jerome Bettis, but I would not call him Reggie Bush size either. I did not expect this to be a popular opinion. I watched him a bunch of times and I think he runs pretty hard. He is also very elusive and has a nice breakaway gear when he gets in the open field. I really think when all is said and done, that he will be the most complete back in the draft. As for the draft strategy, I would not focus on need at all. I would take best player at #25 with few exceptions (no OT or QB in round 1) This team is not close enough to a title where filling needs in the draft should be a priority. I think at the end of the day that they want and will take a defensive player. But I hope they do it because they feel the guy they pick is the best player available, not to fill a need...
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Although the NFL in recent years has become more and more of a 2-back league system, then I don't see Lesean McCoy as a type of a player who can take many carries during a game.

His blocking is not something to be exicited about either.
Yet, I find him still atraktiv to our offence, because I actually have been a little bit tired of Ricky Williams after this season.

He could be an option, but Im still hoping that we choose to pick something other than RB in the first round.
Again, just an opinion of mine and I think they could do far worse than McCoy with the pick. I do not see them keeping Ronnie Brown long term and they need to develop their own guy..... I will not be upset if they pass him up for a better football player, but I will be if they draft for need and not on total ability..
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Maybe if we was around with our early 2nd round pick but even then it's bleh. We have too many holes at DB and WR and LB to take a RB in the first when we have Ronnie. Not to mention I'm extremely bleh on McCoy. Ronnie dances enough as it is, don't need a small back doing that. McCoy is basically Reggie Bush but not as good of a receiver. Taking another back wouldn't be a bad idea in maybe the 4th round, but we don't have the luxury of taking one in the first.
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Follow up to my post from earlier, apparently McCoy weighed in at 197. Some of that could be attributed to the flu, but still less than I expected. I still stand by the other stuff that I said though. I really think this guy has it and I expect good things out of him in the pros...
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Well, one, I don't think McCoy is going to be the BPA at 25, but that's just an opinion so bleh. I don't agree with the having to take a BPA guy instead of filling holes. Kinda cliche but I buy into BPA at a position of need. I think a 2nd RB is a need, but not big enough to pick a guy in the first (that said if a Knowshon or Wells is there at 25 I'd take them in a second). There are a ton of rushbackers that should go in the late first region and if we could get a Sintim/English/Maybin I'd be pretty happy. WR should have guys there as well with Nicks/Britt/Heyward-Bey and DB with Moore/Davis/Smith/Delmas all of which would fill big needs and would be good value. I'd much rather grab one of those guys in round 1 then look at a Goodson/Jeremiah Johnson type in round 4 or so. It's early though, draft is a while away and we still have to go through FA, but if we come out of the first without a LB/WR/DB I'd be pretty disappointed.
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We have too many needs to be drafting a RB with our top pick. Running Back is arguably the strongest position on our team and if you think that's whom we should draft, then you obviously don't have the team's best interests in mind. JMO.
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We have too many needs to be drafting a RB with our top pick. Running Back is arguably the strongest position on our team and if you think that's whom we should draft, then you obviously don't have the team's best interests in mind. JMO.

I could not agree more. This is exactly a minimal problem on our team as it looks right now. Our needs are bigger in a lot of other places. Still hope that we take an ILB in first round.
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Well, one, I don't think McCoy is going to be the BPA at 25, but that's just an opinion so bleh. I don't agree with the having to take a BPA guy instead of filling holes. Kinda cliche but I buy into BPA at a position of need. I think a 2nd RB is a need, but not big enough to pick a guy in the first (that said if a Knowshon or Wells is there at 25 I'd take them in a second). There are a ton of rushbackers that should go in the late first region and if we could get a Sintim/English/Maybin I'd be pretty happy. WR should have guys there as well with Nicks/Britt/Heyward-Bey and DB with Moore/Davis/Smith/Delmas all of which would fill big needs and would be good value. I'd much rather grab one of those guys in round 1 then look at a Goodson/Jeremiah Johnson type in round 4 or so. It's early though, draft is a while away and we still have to go through FA, but if we come out of the first without a LB/WR/DB I'd be pretty disappointed.
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I think you said it in your post. "If Knowshon or Wells is there, I would take him in a second." Thats all I meant except I was using McCoy. Lets say for argument's sake, Wells is there at 25 and Miami takes Brian Cushing or Clint Sintim. Did they do the right thing? I would say no. All I am saying is that they need good players everywhere. I don't think R Brown has a long term future here and there is no one on the horizon to take over for him. I just think they need to take best player regardless of position and stockpile this team with the best talent that they can. Like you said, it is very early and the way it looks now, anything can happen.
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We have too many needs to be drafting a RB with our top pick. Running Back is arguably the strongest position on our team and if you think that's whom we should draft, then you obviously don't have the team's best interests in mind. JMO.
If you draft for need and leave better players on the board, you don't have the team's best interests in mind. How strong is RB? Brown gets hurt and what do you have? Last yr was the only yr he played 16 games. Can't be closed-minded and think that last yr's success is going to continue automatically.....
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LeSean McCoy will not be the BPA available at pick #25, and if that is the argument, then this discussion should be over. He will not be BPA or fill a need, so forget about him.
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LeSean McCoy will not be the BPA available at pick #25, and if that is the argument, then this discussion should be over. He will not be BPA or fill a need, so forget about him.
I am allowed my opinion. I happen to think McCoy will be very good. Better than making up bs mock drafts that drop every great player to Miami like you do.... Maybe on your next one, you can have them taking Aaron Curry in the 4th round...
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Like many have said, RB is one of the strongest positions on the team. Nobody has even mentioned Patrick Cobbs yet who got resigned for another two years. I think I'm higher on Brown than others, but he's still a beast.

If we take a RB any higher than the 5th round, I'll be quite upset. We simply don't need one with all the other holes/depth issues on the team.
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1) C. Barwin olb cinci
extremely atheletic d.e. that impressed at the combine and should have no problem playing 3-4 olb...can also be your second or third string t.e....sleeper

2a) A. Smith c.b. wake forest
physical playmaker would give the phins a much needed boost in the secondary...fills a need at temendous value here.

2b) B. Robiskie w.r. ohio state
productive reciever with the ideal size to compliment ginn and bess...has deceptive speed and great hands...was ginns college teammate and should bring great chemistry to the offense.

3) S. L. Hill n.t. stillman
huge n.t. type that showed good athleticism at the combine and fills a need at good value here....sleeper

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