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Old 11-01-2010, 11:29 PM    (permalink
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Chilly lost the locker room, Frazier has been a head-coaching candidate in the past.

If they do this tomorrow, I believe the Vikings can go on a run and grab a wildcard spot in the NFC.

Tell me why it wouldn't work.
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Because it wont happen. This whole Moss thing shows how poorly run this team is, even the front office. This would be the best thing for Minny fans, all of them want it for a reason. Chilly is an awful, awful coach.
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Nah, this season is just destined for 7-9.
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Minnesota is moving to LA soon, remember?
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I don't think you'd make the playoffs this year, but with how wide open the NFC is I guess anything could happen.

It would be a great move for the future of that franchise though.
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If Childress does get fired during the season I don't think it will happen until week 16 or 17. Zygi Wilf will give him the opportunity to turn this thing around before canning him.
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5 of their next 9 games are at home, with only three "good" teams, in GB, Philly and the Giants. If they get a coach in there that can get the rest of the team to buy in, this team could go on a tear.
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I really think Childress is an idiot. I do, but the Vikings aren't 2-5 because he's an abysmal coach.

They're 2-5 because their front 4 can't rush anyone. They're 2-5 because they based their offense around a 41 year old gunslinger diva. They're 2-5 because their secondary isn't that good and their linebackers are having trouble making plays in the running game.

Childress is a bad coach, but the players just are not making plays.

edit: Unless Childress is caught having intercourse with a prostitute, killing a dog, or something else that might get him released from his contract without penalty, I seriously doubt the Vikings are going to can him in season. Sorry Vikings fans.
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Childress isn't the only moron in Minnesota and simply firing him won't fix the problems for the Vikings. It all starts with the ownership and their lack of patience for a Lombardi.

They tried to buy and trade for a championship. Sucks for them it didn't work. Giving up a lot for Jared Allen, making it rain on Lord Faaaahve and throwing another draft pick in the trash for a Moss rental will put this team in a huge hole in the near future.
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The Vikings aren't going anywhere. They're window to win a Super Bowl is finished. Jackson will start for them next year (Favre isn't playing for the Vikings next year whether or not he's coming back), and they will be a mediocre team.
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I see a number of problems in Minnesota. A lot can be attributed to the very distinct possibility that the players don't want to play hard for Childress. But if Frazier is to be the answer surely the defensive players would play hard for him. I actually really like the Vikings LB corp but they cant be as effective because of their front four. Ray Edwards is playing the best of the bunch which is quite frankly ridiculous. Maybe Pat Williams is now too old because he's not playing like one of the best NTs of the last ten years. But what's the excuse for Jared Allen and Kevin Williams? Allen has absolutely dominated everyone for the last 5 years and has done nothing at all this year. Kevin Williams is very possibly a Hall of Fame DT but he has also done very little. This is exposing the weakness of the defense, the secondary. Outside of Winfield, who in that defensive backfield would start for most teams? That is the main problem for this team IMO. Most could have forseen the offense struggling because of Favre's antics, Rice's injury and Childress' play calling. But the defense is talented enough to win games by itself. BenJarvus Green-Ellis had over 100 yards rushing against the Vikings. Are you kidding me? I don't think there is any quick fix in Minnesota. The defense is playing like crap, Favre is a liability, the coaching staff is a joke and the offensive line is doing nothing.

Against the Patriots I can think of numerous occassions where the last point absolutely killed the team. In the first quarter, AD ran wild. 13 carries for 60 some yards. The Patriots went into the game determined to limit Randy Moss and this opened the running game up and allowed Harvin to get a lot of favourable matchups. However when it got close to the goal line or was in short yardage it was obvious Peterson was getting the ball. After being 7-7 in 3rd and 1 or less for the season, the Patriots stopped the Vikings on three occassions and it is still debatable whether the TD was actually in. The best and possibly the strongest RB in football behind a monster offensive line couldn't pick up one yard? Come on!! On the 4th and goal play at the end of the first half the Vikings decided to run behind RT Phil Loadholt who only needed to hold the point and AD would have gotten in. What happened??? Ron Brace, yes Ron Brace, pushed Loadholt two yards into the backfield and Loadholt was the player who stopped Peterson's momentum allowing him to be gang tackled.
How about soon to be Hall of Fame guard Steve Hutchinson getting absolutely roasted by second year 7th round pick Myron Pryor to hit Favre and knock him out of the game. I don't care how bad the coaching or the play calling is, if Adrian Peterson cant get one yard or Steve Hutchinson can get dominated on any single play like that then the offense will not have any success.

I dont see a quick fix here. The front office is bad, the coaching is terrible, the offensive line is bad and old, the QB situation is a joke, the defensive line is not playing well and the secondary is just not good enough outside of Winfield.

Luckily though they have some elite young players to build around when a new coaching staff comes in. The defense will play better, AD is awesome, Rice and Harvin are a great WR combination. But there needs to be fundamental change from the top down.
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Yeah this will not work because assuming you need a 9-7 record to make the playoffs which is fair you have to go 7-2 for the rest of the season and someone has to run that offense is the current OC competent enough? Is it time to blow up the team and the front office? I think so I hope it doesn't happen but it would be the best for the Vikings. The drafting of the Vikings has been poor the past few years outside of AP and Harvin, maybe Loadholt.
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Yeah this will not work because assuming you need a 9-7 record to make the playoffs which is fair you have to go 7-2 for the rest of the season and someone has to run that offense is the current OC competent enough? Is it time to blow up the team and the front office? I think so I hope it doesn't happen but it would be the best for the Vikings. The drafting of the Vikings has been poor the past few years outside of AP and Harvin, maybe Loadholt.
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Sidney Rice, RayEdwards, Chad Greenway, Cedric Griffen, and Brian Robison aren't bad. There are many things Childress sucks at, drafting isn't really one of them
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It's close to the only thing he does right.
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I think childress would be a good GM. But he can't coach.
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Didn't he just sign a contract for several years and double digit millions of dollars? He's not going to be fired and paid all that money to not do anything with the team.
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I don't know about that. If they're convinced now that he's a **** up- why not drop him and promote Frazier and see what he can do?
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I don't see what the big deal with Frazier is. He has never shown why he should be a head coach since he has joined the Vikings in my opinion. He runs a very vanilla defense and he inherited a boatload of talent. He doesn't strike me as a fiery leader or someone who can motivate a team. I hardly ever see him coaching anybody up on the sideline or talking to players when they come off the field. He may be great in meetings and other things behind closed doors, but form what I've seen he is just another guy. I think he gets a lot of hype because he is a Dungy disciple and he talked him up a lot.

He has also interviewed for quite a few jobs, and as far as I know has never been formally offered one of them. We saw that a lot with Singletary and look how that is turning out. It just raises another flag in my opinion.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:19 PM    (permalink
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I stayed away from the Minnesota/Arizona game this week strictly bc I have no idea whether the team will lose on purpose so Chilly can get fired or not.

I have no idea which Minnesota team shows up this Sunday.
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I don't see much of a point in firing him now, there is still chance to make they playoffs, albeit a small one. Dumping him now basically tells the team and fans that it's time to start over and this season is a lost cause. At this point I think he is coaching for his job, there is a ton of pressure from the media and the fans to get him out of there and that can't be ignored by ownership.
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I don't see what the big deal with Frazier is. He has never shown why he should be a head coach since he has joined the Vikings in my opinion. He runs a very vanilla defense and he inherited a boatload of talent. He doesn't strike me as a fiery leader or someone who can motivate a team. I hardly ever see him coaching anybody up on the sideline or talking to players when they come off the field. He may be great in meetings and other things behind closed doors, but form what I've seen he is just another guy. I think he gets a lot of hype because he is a Dungy disciple and he talked him up a lot.

He has also interviewed for quite a few jobs, and as far as I know has never been formally offered one of them. We saw that a lot with Singletary and look how that is turning out. It just raises another flag in my opinion.
Welcome to the life of being a "token" interviewee. Minorities on this forum know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, Frazier has done nothing but have one of the best defenses in the league for years.

Even now, with no secondary and an underperforming dline, his defense has done great. He's done a wonderful job with his units, and absolutely deserves a shot.

Chan ******* Gailey got a job before Frazier. That's a joke.
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Childress isn't the greatest coach in the world, but this team has made several mistakes this season at the worst times. Childress can't tell the offensive or defensive lines (which have been our worst aspects this season) to play better or not suck.
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