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what is the difference between trap blocks and down blocks?

id guess a drive block is trying to drive him down field, combo blocks 2 guys and cutoff blocks at the knees?
Well drive block is a typical 1 on 1 block where the OL player drives the defender straight down the field. Combo block is a 2 on 1 block, and usually one of the OL guys chip off to the LB who normally is trying to fill the hole to stop the RB.

Cut off block is used to cut off usually backside pursuit. What you are thinking of is a cut block, where the aiming point is the thigh or waist, and you roll to knock the DL off their feet. I taught my TEs that if you have trouble blocking that DE and if he is about to make a play, legally cut him, and drop him, rather then him disengaging and making a play on the RB.

Alot of the service schools like army, navy, airforce do that. Because of height and weight disadvantage when playing D 1 schools they usually down block or cut the bigger guys.

Down block is if a center blocks a 3 technique. It's also called an angle block by some people too. Down is refered to blocking down a gap, while angle is refered to blocking at angle to get the defender.
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and whats a trap and down block?
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Down block is if a center blocks a 3 technique. It's also called an angle block by some people too. Down is refered to blocking down a gap, while angle is refered to blocking at angle to get the defender.
Trap block is when you don't block a DT on purpose. Usually that guard blocks someone else or doubles or heads to the next level, while the backside linemen will pull and block the incoming DT. So basically you are setting a trap for him. Theory being if the guy is hard to move, then let him come, and block him at an angle. Sometimes a player sees daylight and will be focuses on hitting the RB that he won't see the backside linemen coming for a kill shot on him. So from there the RB can run through the hole vacated by the DT, and the guard would be blocking someone else.
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damn sorry i only read angle block
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to make it simply, GOW, a trap would be a 45 degree ''pull'' where the guard or maybe even tackle kicks out someone from the play, usually a DT or DE.



the left guard is trapping
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Yup that's exactly what I am talking about.. Good picture. All my pics are of passing concepts, the running ones are easy for me so I don't have them.
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With the NCAA championship coming up I am going to talk about the Urban Meyer offense, the spread option. One of the football blogs had this so in my own words I am going to explain the concept of this offense.

The offense is pretty simple it takes adv. of the # of people in the box with relation to the # of high safties you have. They normally line up in a shotgun with a 2 X 2 formation. Meaning 4 Wide, with 2 on either side, 2 X 2.

Now what Meyer's system entails is the Qb to see how many safties are back in the Box. Now we are all used to the Box which is 4 X 1 off the LOS. But there is another Box which Qbs look at and that's 12-16 ish down the field in the middle. That's the box which Qbs look at pre snap and post snap to gauge what coverage is being played.

So this is what happens. Tebow looks at his pre snap read and looks at the safties and sees how many are back there. If 2 safties are back there then you know 4 defenders are covering the 4 WRs. So that's 6 players taken care of. You have 4 more DL players which make it 10, and usually 1 LB. So in essence you are worrying about the 4 down linemen and 1 LB, which gives us 5 players. Everyone following?

So Tebow and Meyer at this point have an adv. They have 5 down linemen AND Tebow AND the RB. That's 7 people going against 5. Here is a diagram so people can see.





Another defensive alignment is a single high safety. That's means another defender is added to the "box" off the LOS. So what does that mean for Meyer and his system? You still have a numbers adv. but now you have 1 high safety, so you can assume the coverage will be C 1 or C 3. So that allows Meyer to run more of those coverage beaters with his 4 wide while taking adv of the single high safety and personnel matchups, such as Percy Harvin and his speed.

Here is the diagram of what this alignment looks like:




The final look a defense can give you is a ZERO high safety look, which is a Cover 0 look. All out blitz, or No blitz but pure man coverage ON everyone! At this point you have 7 guys playing run first or what fans called in the box, and 4 Cbs on the 4 WRs. At that point Meyer has a matchup adv. and can run all sorts of man coverage beaters to score. So two options can happen, either Tebow gets stopped via sack, or Florida scores on a big play. Here is a diagram of that.







Here are some of the stuff I know based on this system. I have Meyer's playbooks and ran his system which he had in Utah.

Now this is the system we ran for my team which I coached. We ran the system which Alex Smith ran for Utah. Usually the WR had tags just like any system. Alot of motion tags, such as move, return, shrink and home.

Home is a key tag because you can flex out a WR, and give him a "home" tag, and that allows that WR to come in the backfield. So you can either go with an empty set, or 2 X 2 set, then tag a Slot guy for instance "home" and now have 2 Backs in the backfield to run something.

Another way they would use this Home tag and have success is simply pick a side to run, and on the backside of the play don't block the backside DE. So now use that backside tackle and have him block to the second level, and be creative that way.

Overall the system is a great system, and is pretty simple. It takes adv. of numbers. Most defenses are traditional in the way they run coverages be it 1, 2, or 0 high safeties. So they just play a #s game. You give them a C2 shell look, and they will run it. If you give them a C1 or C3 shell look, basically 1 high safety, they will pass it and run coverage beaters. You can also get detailed and run C 1 beater one side and perhaps a C3 beater on the other.

So hope this helps. I will add to it later on as I go through his playbook. But look for this when you watch Florida. Watch how they tag their wrs. So key the defense's alignment and how many high safeties they have. Props to the blog for the main post and pics. Like I said I will add more to this from the stuff I have.
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I can't see your pics, Shockey, but a good post nonetheless.
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I can't see your pics, Shockey, but a good post nonetheless.
Yeah i hit refresh and they went away..

Just think of it was 2 safties back there..

1 safety and the other safety comes into the "box" or close to it.

And the other pic had no high safeties meaning 2 more players added to the original 5. So 7 on 7 ...4 Cbs on 4 WRs.

It was basically a visual representation of the obvious.
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so how do u defeat that Spread offense?
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so how do u defeat that Spread offense?
Get pressure on the QB. Zone blitz, and try to get the QB rattled. The Pats last year ran a spread, vertical stretch offense, and you saw what happened in the superbowl.

But spread offense is such a broad term.

So many types of spread offenses have evolved.

Run N shoot

Fun N Gun

Air Raid

Spread Option

and so on.

It all depends on what the concepts are and how personnel is utilized.
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Get pressure on the QB. Zone blitz, and try to get the QB rattled. The Pats last year ran a spread, vertical stretch offense, and you saw what happened in the superbowl.

But spread offense is such a broad term.

So many types of spread offenses have evolved.

Run N shoot

Fun N Gun

Air Raid

Spread Option

and so on.

It all depends on what the concepts are and how personnel is utilized.
Hawaii-Georgia game is another great examle I think. Georgia's Dline was just tooo fast for Hawaii
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On offense, how do you beat the Cover 2?
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Passing routes in between the 2 safties
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Three words - "Hit the seam"

That's my almost bed time short answer. I'll let Shockey write a dissertation on it, but he'll agree.
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My guess is if you have enough time then to hit an outside reciever on a go route but other than that I'm not sure on any other way to beat it without a risky throw.
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Slants, slants, and more slants. And then a flag route.

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Old 01-06-2009, 11:26 PM    (permalink
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On offense, how do you beat the Cover 2?
Post routes seem to work. Slants, drags, square ins etc...Attacking the seam with a go route from a TE or a RB could work too.
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I don't know, it depends on how a team does the post route. In the Superbowl where Tampa drubbed Oakland, the Raiders got into trouble early by relying too heavily on their post routes and the Tampa safeties which were playing heads up had a day and a half. If the post is too deep, it's basically sending the wide receiver from the corner directly to a safety who, if he's worth anything, has the benefit of watching both the receiver coming his way and the quarterback. Skinny posts can work fairly well though.

If you have a guy who's fast enough and you can draw the safeties in enough, the flag route is the way to go.
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Not trying to sound like an ass by saying this, but don't you watch the Packers divisional games? We do the things PMD is talking about 6 times a year.
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Not trying to sound like an ass by saying this, but don't you watch the Packers divisional games? We do the things PMD is talking about 6 times a year.
To be fair, the slant route has pretty much been a Green Bay staple since I started watching football. And McCarthy used it in San Francisco a good deal too. Honestly, if it's executed right, the short slant is really hard to defend without opening up major weaknesses in your defense. It essentially manages to both spread the linebackers and to draw the safeties up. It can set up so much against so many defenses.
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To be fair, the slant route has pretty much been a Green Bay staple since I started watching football. And McCarthy used it in San Francisco a good deal too. Honestly, if it's executed right, the short slant is really hard to defend without opening up major weaknesses in your defense. It essentially manages to both spread the linebackers and to draw the safeties up. It can set up so much against so many defenses.
It was basically our run game last year until Ryan Grant showed up.
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