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Old 04-06-2007, 07:47 PM    (permalink
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Speaking of geriatrics, what would you say about the Saints targeting WR David Patten, formerly of New England and Washington?

Also, it seems that former Saints wide receiver Az Hakim is off the market, as he was signed by the Dolphins to a one-year deal.

So now it seems that the bigger names that are still available are Bobby Engram, David Patten, Corey Bradford, Antonio Bryant, and yes, Keenan McCardell.

Any one really jump out at you (besides TPFKA#1SaintsFan's man-crush on McCardell )?
The names jump out at me in the fact that they used to names related to consistency but now are either inconsistent or are extremely aging veterans that still yearn to play in the league.

I still think Eric Moulds should be the guy we go after. He'd be a great #2 with Colsten as #1, but it looks like we won't sign anyone else in FA after acquiring Olindo Mare. It's kind of ashame since Ian Scott is still on the market.
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Nice deal for the Saints. Carney is retiring, and Mare is better than any of our other options (Vanderjagt or a late round rookie).

We probably would have had to draft Crosby with our second rounder in order to get him. A kicker is just not worth a pick that high.
I completely disagree. Olindo Mare is not the kicker he was years ago, when he was automatic for the Dolphins. His accuracy and range has decreased over the last few years and he's no Spring chicken, either.
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I completely disagree. Olindo Mare is not the kicker he was years ago, when he was automatic for the Dolphins. His accuracy and range has decreased over the last few years and he's no Spring chicken, either.
You, disagree with me? No f'n way! Who saw that coming?

Mare IS a spring chicken when compared to Carney. He's 10 years younger than Carney. He's also a 10 year vet, which, for a kicker, is probably equivalent to a 5 year veteran position player. He's still got one of the strongest legs in the NFL, so I don't know how you could say his range has decreased, and I believe he was the best on kickoffs in the league as well, which means we won't have to waste another roster spot on a guy just for kickoffs. He did struggle at the beginning of last year, but finished up very strong. I suppose you're basing the whole "his accuracy has decreased" just from looking at his FG% last year. Eh... whatever. He's a guy who can be relied on to make the 50 yard FG AND handle kickoff duties, neither of which could be said of Carney. I don't know who you had in mind, but I would greatly prefer Mare over Vanderjagt or a late round rookie.
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He did struggle at the beginning of last year, but finished up very strong. I suppose you're basing the whole "his accuracy has decreased" just from looking at his FG% last year. Eh... whatever. He's a guy who can be relied on to make the 50 yard FG AND handle kickoff duties, neither of which could be said of Carney. I don't know who you had in mind, but I would greatly prefer Mare over Vanderjagt or a late round rookie.
Also I think we have to keep in mind half of Mare's misses last year came from 50 yards and beyond. So he was attempting some very low percentage kicks.

Some Dolphin fans have told me Mare's biggest problem was kicking from the Infield Dirt in Dolphin Stadium they have during baseball season. Kicking in a Dome on artificial turf should prolong his career by a few more years, and yes he led the league in Touchbacks last year with 24.
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He is a solid kicker I think he will do you guys a lot of good.
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You, disagree with me? No f'n way! Who saw that coming?

Mare IS a spring chicken when compared to Carney. He's 10 years younger than Carney. He's also a 10 year vet, which, for a kicker, is probably equivalent to a 5 year veteran position player. He's still got one of the strongest legs in the NFL, so I don't know how you could say his range has decreased, and I believe he was the best on kickoffs in the league as well, which means we won't have to waste another roster spot on a guy just for kickoffs. He did struggle at the beginning of last year, but finished up very strong. I suppose you're basing the whole "his accuracy has decreased" just from looking at his FG% last year. Eh... whatever. He's a guy who can be relied on to make the 50 yard FG AND handle kickoff duties, neither of which could be said of Carney. I don't know who you had in mind, but I would greatly prefer Mare over Vanderjagt or a late round rookie.
And the fact that you would actually react to what I said was a shocker to me...

Look, all I'm saying is that I didn't think that the Saints needed to trade a sixth-round selection for Mare.

First of all, Mare is thirty-three years old and has been in the league for 10 years now. I realize that this is nothing in comparison to the 42-year-old Carney, but he's still not that young.

As for the fact that his accuracy and range has decreased... here are the straight forward facts:
(per NFL.com and ESPN.com)

In 2006, (last season) Mare attempted 36 field goals. And missed 10 of them. While he was perfect from inside 29 yards (10 for 10), he missed four field goals between 40 and 49 yards, and missed all but one of his attempts from more than fifty yards. Also, he had two field goals blocked, the most ever for his career.

Compare this to just three seasons ago (2003), when he was 22 for 29, including being almost 72 percent on field goals longer than 39 yards.

It does seem that he did do well in the end of the season, but again, looking a little deeper at the stats, the best performance was in his last game, when he made five field goals against the Colts. Other than that, he wasn't all that consistent, going less than fifty percent in six games, and not attempting field goals in a game against Buffalo.

Again, these are facts. Personally, I will say I would have preferred if the Saints would have drafted a kicker in the later rounds but as it is, I hope that Mare can resurrect his career with the Saints. As Auron pointed out, part of the problem could be the infield dirt at Dolphins Stadium, so maybe moving indoors would be a good thing.
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Again, these are facts. Personally, I will say I would have preferred if the Saints would have drafted a kicker in the later rounds but as it is, I hope that Mare can resurrect his career with the Saints. As Auron pointed out, part of the problem could be the infield dirt at Dolphins Stadium, so maybe moving indoors would be a good thing.
I think it will turn out to be an ok move in the end, as you stated his best game of the year came inside the RCA Dome, so that leads me to believe he'll fare much better indoors with us.

I agree that the decreased accuracy is a bit of a concern, but it may just have been a down year for him. A lot of times teams panic after a player has one bad year.

I believe the biggest difference we'll notice will be on kickoffs. Where now we finally have a guy that consistently kick off past the 20 yard line, so we're not conceding field position, our Defense is going to need as much help as it can get, and now we don't have to devote 2 entire roster spots to a kicker.
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I think it will turn out to be an ok move in the end, as you stated his best game of the year came inside the RCA Dome, so that leads me to believe he'll fare much better indoors with us.

I agree that the decreased accuracy is a bit of a concern, but it may just have been a down year for him. A lot of times teams panic after a player has one bad year.

I believe the biggest difference we'll notice will be on kickoffs. Where now we finally have a guy that consistently kick off past the 20 yard line, so we're not conceding field position, our Defense is going to need as much help as it can get, and now we don't have to devote 2 entire roster spots to a kicker.
This is another gamble taken by Sean Payton and the Saint's Front Office. The gamble may pay off, like it did with Scott Fujita and Scott Shanle last year, or it could be like the gamble they took on Mark Simoneau, someone who comes in and does just enough not to be overtaken by someone who is on the second team.

For the Saints sake, and for my own, I hope the gamble will pay off, just as I hope the gamble pays off with Eric Johnson. One thing we do have to keep into consideration is that Mare played in the AFC East where a lot of teams play in terrible kicking weather. Carney's career was prolonged when we brought him here from San Diego and I am sure it will do the same with Mare's.

We still may draft a kicker in the late rounds as someone like Justin Medlock or Nick Folk may be there. One good thing is that the Saints have quite a bit of drafts picks and not that many positions on the field where we need immediate help so giving up a 6th Rounder for a player who can still turn his career around is not too risky. It is borderline risky, in my opinion, but as I said earlier, we will see if this gamble pays off.
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And the fact that you would actually react to what I said was a shocker to me...

Look, all I'm saying is that I didn't think that the Saints needed to trade a sixth-round selection for Mare.

First of all, Mare is thirty-three years old and has been in the league for 10 years now. I realize that this is nothing in comparison to the 42-year-old Carney, but he's still not that young.

As for the fact that his accuracy and range has decreased... here are the straight forward facts:
(per NFL.com and ESPN.com)

In 2006, (last season) Mare attempted 36 field goals. And missed 10 of them. While he was perfect from inside 29 yards (10 for 10), he missed four field goals between 40 and 49 yards, and missed all but one of his attempts from more than fifty yards. Also, he had two field goals blocked, the most ever for his career.

Compare this to just three seasons ago (2003), when he was 22 for 29, including being almost 72 percent on field goals longer than 39 yards.

It does seem that he did do well in the end of the season, but again, looking a little deeper at the stats, the best performance was in his last game, when he made five field goals against the Colts. Other than that, he wasn't all that consistent, going less than fifty percent in six games, and not attempting field goals in a game against Buffalo.

Again, these are facts. Personally, I will say I would have preferred if the Saints would have drafted a kicker in the later rounds but as it is, I hope that Mare can resurrect his career with the Saints. As Auron pointed out, part of the problem could be the infield dirt at Dolphins Stadium, so maybe moving indoors would be a good thing.
Well, you could have just as easily replied to or acknowledged anybody else that agreed with my stance, but whatever.

If you're going to talk about "facts," let's look at the whole spectrum. Comparing just two seasons out of Mare's 10 automatically loses any credibility your argument might have had with me. Let's look at his entire career, shall we?

1997-2005:
FG 20-29 yds: 82-88 (93.2%)
FG 30-39 yds: 67-78 (85.9%)
FG 40-49 yds: 53-73 (72.6%)
FG 50+ yds: 13-24 (54.2%)

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FG 20-29 yds: 10-10 (100.0%)
FG 30-39 yds: 6-8 (75.0%)
FG 40-49 yds: 9-12 (75.0%)
FG 50+ yds: 1-6 (16.7%)

As you can clearly see, the category that jumps out as the major drop-off is 50+ yard FGs. His percentage from 40-49 was actually a little better than his career average, so the 50+ yard attempts are definitely what brought his overall percentage down... but this is where it gets tricky. While I am in no way trying to imply that Mare didn't perform poorly from 50+, there was only ONE other season over the span of his entire career in which he attempted that many FGs from that distance. You already know what year that was, Dome Patrol. I know you only chose 2003 because it would support your argument, and yes, he DID make a career best 4-6 from 50+. But overall, 2003 was also (statistically) one of Mare's worst seasons in the league. His 40-49 yard percentage was the same as it was in 2006, 75%, but he only made 3 out of 6 from 30-39 yards, a career low 50%. His overall percentage in 2003 was the third worst of his career. I find it oh so very ironic that you'd pick his third worst season in the league to compare against his worst season in the league, and use that comparison to show me how his skills have declined from then to now. He was not good in 2003, and he was not good in 2006.

One of his 50+ yarders this past season would have been his career long had he made it, so I'd say he was more like 1-5. Anyway, that's still not very good, is it? Take away his career low 1-6 (2006) and his career high 4-6 (2003). Without those two seasons, his career percentage from 50+ yards is 50%. Now add them both back to his career stats, and his career percentage is still right at 50%. There is no evidence to suggest that last year wasn't just a bad season for him from 50+, just as 2003 was an extremely good season for him from 50+.

He's still got one of the strongest legs in the NFL. You can't say that his leg strength has decreased just from looking at some field goal percentage stats. That's like saying a QB doesn't have the strongest arm in the NFL because his completion percentage is too low. It makes no sense. Watch him kick. That thing is a cannon.

Mare gives us a much better chance to hit the 50+ yarder than John Carney ever did (hell, they wouldn't even let Carney try the last few years). He also brings the best leg in the NFL on kickoffs to a team that had to waste a roster spot on a kicker just to handle those duties last season. And for a 6th round pick? We had two 6th round picks last year, neither played a down, and neither is even with the team anymore. I really don't understand how a couple of you Saints fans think, but nothing really surprises me anymore.
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I'm looking for a link, but it's being posted on other Saints boards that the Saints are hosting Free agents Ralph Brown (CB), Jack Brewer (DB), and Orlando Huff. (LB)

Adam Schefter is reporting FA Cornerback Tory James is deciding between the Saints, Patriots, Packers, and Raiders.
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alot of people tend to forget, but the Saints had a fieldgoal attempt to try and take the lead against the bears in the championship game, but the miss totally sent to momentum the other way. I think he was worth a 6th round pick, it can't really hurt us too much
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I have seen this also, but the only notable one in my opinion would be Tory James. The others could add depth sure, but not be significant players or even improvements.
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Saints signed Troy Evans (MLB, Texans), per NFL-Network crawler....

he is a ST guy and will most likely take Melton's former spot...

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he is a ST guy and will most likely take Melton's former spot...

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235373
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Yeah, I see it. Eh, I don't know what to say. He doesn't seem to be anything more than a special teamer.
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That's pretty much all he is. To replace Melton or Danny Clark for special teams. There are conflicting reports that Tory James (CB of the Bengals) is close to signing with us, though. We'll see.
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The Saints have signed Free agent WR, David Patten. Link

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The NFL Network reports the New Orleans Saints signed free-agent WR David Patten (Redskins). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.
1 year deal, it's not bad. He brings veteran leadership to a young position spot on our team, I expect him to be the 4th WR, and a contributor on special teams.
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Does this mean drafting a WR early in the draft is out of the question? I didn't really think we needed to draft one early to begin with considering the weakness' of the defense.

Scott's new mock has us taking Sidney Rice in the second, which I wouldn't mind at all if he was the best player left on the board. Otherwise we should probably go DT or Linebacker in some order in the 2nd and 3rd.
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Scott's Draft is nearly perfect in my opinion. That would be an incredible draft if all those pieces fell that way.

But Auron who do you have as the third ahead of Patten?
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Does this mean drafting a WR early in the draft is out of the question? I didn't really think we needed to draft one early to begin with considering the weakness' of the defense.

Scott's new mock has us taking Sidney Rice in the second, which I wouldn't mind at all if he was the best player left on the board. Otherwise we should probably go DT or Linebacker in some order in the 2nd and 3rd.
I don't think drafting a WR is entirely out of the equation.. just because of the Patten signing.

If there is great value staring us right in the face.. like a Bowe, Ginn in rd.1 or a Smith, Davis, Rice.. in rd.2; I think the Saints will think long and hard about it, depending on how they have them graded out.

On a separate note, Patten is a guy who has 3 Super Bowl rings from his time with the Patriots, and he's made some clutch catches in the playoffs, even if he doesn't see the field much I think he'll mentor the young guys well.
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Adding depth and a veteran presence to an impressive but young receiving corps, the New Orleans Saints signed free agent wide receiver David Patten to a one-year contract Thursday. Patten, a 10-year NFL veteran, brings experience - and winning experience at that - to a passing attack that was tops in the league in 2006.
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But Auron who do you have as the third ahead of Patten?
I think depth chart wise speaking..that Henderson, and Copper will be ahead of him.

but he'll definitely see the field either way. Payton is a very diverse play caller, who uses multiple formations.
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Well like I posted in the FA thread, can't hurt to bring in some experience at the position. Especially experience that has 3 Super Bowl rings. I believe he'll serve as a good mentor for the younger receivers.

I'm thinking he'll be #3/#4 WR, and can definitely contribute on special teams.
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'Indianapolis restricted free-agent cornerback Jason David is visiting the New Orleans Saints.'


source: http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

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since he is a RFA, we would have to give compensation...and that would be a 4th round pick. but he would be a upgrade to our CB corp and possibly start.
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