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Old 01-26-2009, 09:38 PM    (permalink
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Eh, you can only blame so much on the team. The great ones don't "get ruined" and he's had a shot on afterwards and still hasn't shown anything.

I think Carr had a stronger arm than Sanchez though honestly.
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Eh, you can only blame so much on the team. The great ones don't "get ruined" and he's had a shot on afterwards and still hasn't shown anything.

I think Carr had a stronger arm than Sanchez though honestly.
Well, there's only so many "great" ones, and none of them ever played behind pass blocking as putrid as Houston's.
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Okay, you completely lost me after the second sentence of paragraph number two.

I thought David Carr could have been a great quarterback. He was showing improvement in Houston, but those first three years really just screwed that guy over. Such a great talent, and throughout the worst offensive line in the history of the NFL, he was still getting better and making great throws. I think Mark Sanchez will be what David Carr should have been.
He may have had the physical talent, but he lacked the mental tools. The offensive line was bad, but did you see how long he held onto the ball? That is what ****** him, not the offensive line. Yes, he didn't have too much talent around him, but he did nothing to improve that offense.
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Their arm strength is about the same. Watch tapes of David Carr rolling out and throwing on the run, and then look at what Mark Sanchez did this year. Their deep balls look exactly the same. They have sort of the same physique, athleticism, arm, playing style. The only difference is the slight side-arm little motion that Carr would do at times.

I think they're carbon copies of each other.
So what's the comparison mean in the end?

Basically...comparing him to Carr implies that he's a future bust. Thing is, no one saw David Carr being a bust. Hell, I don't even think David Carr would have been a bust had he not been chosen by an expansion team that lost it's franchise linemen before he even took a snap.

I don't mind the comparison...it's more what it implies I guess. I liked David Carr and still do...sure he's done as a starter in this league but he's gotten so many chances post-Texans because teams know he was at one point an extremely talented young guy who was probably f'd over a little by a crummy situation that few, if any, would have made it out of.

Otherwise...not a bad comparison.
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So what's the comparison mean in the end?

Basically...comparing him to Carr implies that he's a future bust. Thing is, no one saw David Carr being a bust. Hell, I don't even think David Carr would have been a bust had he not been chosen by an expansion team that lost it's franchise linemen before he even took a snap.

I don't mind the comparison...it's more what it implies I guess. I liked David Carr and still do...sure he's done as a starter in this league but he's gotten so many chances post-Texans because teams know he was at one point an extremely talented young guy who was probably f'd over a little by a crummy situation that few, if any, would have made it out of.

Otherwise...not a bad comparison.
Well that's just bad reading comprehension on your part, because it would be ridiculous for anyone in this thread to base their comparison on the way their careers are going to play out. At this point, all we're doing is looking at them as prospects, and how they compare to others in years prior. I think everyone else in this thread understands that.

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He may have had the physical talent, but he lacked the mental tools. The offensive line was bad, but did you see how long he held onto the ball? That is what ****** him, not the offensive line. Yes, he didn't have too much talent around him, but he did nothing to improve that offense.
And for that, i blame the coaching.
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I might have said this a long time ago, but Crabtree is a lot like T.O./Baby T.O.
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And was one of the great D-lineman, Everette Brown cant carry Reggie's jock.
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I might have said this a long time ago, but Crabtree is a lot like T.O./Baby T.O.
At 35, i think Owens is still faster than Crabtree. Crabs will be lucky to run in the mid 4.5's, Owens has always been a low 4.4 guy.
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At 35, i think Owens is still faster than Crabtree. Crabs will be lucky to run in the mid 4.5's, Owens has always been a low 4.4 guy.
I'd have to agree with that. T.O.'s only problem is he can't hold on to the over the shoulder balls that are deep.
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At 35, i think Owens is still faster than Crabtree. Crabs will be lucky to run in the mid 4.5's, Owens has always been a low 4.4 guy.
I don't know. T.O. ran a 4.6 at the combine, and Baby ran a 4.57 or something like that. He might be a little faster, but in regards to a comparison, I think they're very similar, considering T.O.'s game hasn't been about speed. And actually, I feel like T.O. has gotten faster over the years I'm sure thanks to his work regimen.
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I don't know. T.O. ran a 4.6 at the combine, and Baby ran a 4.57 or something like that. He might be a little faster, but in regards to a comparison, I think they're very similar, considering T.O.'s game hasn't been about speed. And actually, I feel like T.O. has gotten faster over the years I'm sure thanks to his work regimen.
Well, i killed my argument by bringing up 40 times in the first place, but here i'm gonna go completely squashing your argument.

Game speed >>> timed speed.

Owens out runs defenses like nothing. He has flown by the fastest in the league, and still does at 35. Go look at the MeAngelo clip where he just whizzes by him. That's a 4.35 guy right there.

Did you also know Devin Hester ran a mid 4.5 at the combine? He's the fastest guy in the field every game, in the NFL. I don't care what he ran in a track. Crabtree does not have top flight game speed. That's the end of it, really.
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The first four were good, but there's no way Load-hold is anything like McNeil. Big, fat, slow.
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The first four were good, but there's no way Load-hold is anything like McNeil. Big, fat, slow.
Ironically enough the same criticisms levied at McNeil.


I like Loadholt a lot. That comparison isn't completely accurate, but McNeil got some of the same stuff coming out. His stock never quite went to hell the way Loadholt's had prior to the Senior Bowl though.
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I think that McNeil was just a better college player who fell more because of injury concerns than because of playing ability. Loadholt surprised me by putting together a very good Senior Bowl showing, but the fact that he looked better at LT than RT is somewhat concerning since RT was considered his lock spot less than a month ago.

Not a bad comparison, but I definitely liked McNeil more.
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Did you also know Devin Hester ran a mid 4.5 at the combine? He's the fastest guy in the field every game, in the NFL. I don't care what he ran in a track. Crabtree does not have top flight game speed. That's the end of it, really.
Proof?

I'm pretty sure Hester ran a very low 4.3
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I might have said this a long time ago, but Crabtree is a lot like T.O./Baby T.O.
Not nearly fast enough.

The way I see it, Crabtree compares to Dwayne Bowe.
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Well, i killed my argument by bringing up 40 times in the first place, but here i'm gonna go completely squashing your argument.

Game speed >>> timed speed.

Owens out runs defenses like nothing. He has flown by the fastest in the league, and still does at 35. Go look at the MeAngelo clip where he just whizzes by him. That's a 4.35 guy right there.

Did you also know Devin Hester ran a mid 4.5 at the combine? He's the fastest guy in the field every game, in the NFL. I don't care what he ran in a track. Crabtree does not have top flight game speed. That's the end of it, really.
Yeah, I realize the game speed/timed speed thing, but I just disagree. I actually looked over some tapes of T.O. when he first came into the league and he wasn't as fast as he is now for whatever reason. And I don't know, but Crabtree doesn't look that slow to me either. But T.O. has always been about great route running, which is what I think Crabtree is about. And, I believe on the professional level he's going to have the same sort of problems with drops/fumbles.
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