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Old 12-15-2008, 03:40 AM    (permalink
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Every year we have fans who say this about their team, and every year we have new "trends" that are broken. I've said it about the Bucs drafting a CB myself, and then we go take Talib with the 20th pick to play nickel. I said Dexter/DeSean Jackson would be horrible fits for our offense and we'll never take them.....we took Dexter. Gruden ALWAYS goes after some form of possession guys, but not last year.

Nothing is guaranteed in terms of the draft. If corner is the issue and there are good players are available, that will be the pick.
Excellent point.
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If Stafford had Tebow's speed he would be Elway but that is Stafford's idol and who he modeled his game after.
My guess is you wouldn't find a whole lot of differance in speed between the 3 guys you mentioned. Elway was just super strong and coordinated, he had such great feet he could avoid a pass rush with the best ever.
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Except smaller and slower. The flip side is he has better hands and a brain.
In other words, they're nothing alike at all.
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In other words, they're nothing alike at all.
Exactly...
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It seems like Crabtree resembles Keyshawn the prospect as opposed to Keyshawn the product
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It seems like Crabtree resembles Keyshawn the prospect as opposed to Keyshawn the product
Yes and no. Crabtree is much more smooth as a route-runner and pass catcher. I think they have similar playing styles but Crabtree is a better athlete and more versatile.

To get a true comparison for Crabtree you have to combine the best attributes of 2-3 players, because he's that talented. He's everything you ask for in a wideout except deep speed.
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I don't know. Crabtree looks a lot like Dwayne Bowe did to me, although Crabtree has less questions about his concentration in catching the ball than Bowe did.
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actually crabtree hasn't been running great routes in college. I think he's so talented, he'll be a very well rounded WR in the NFL in time. Route running is not that big a deal compared to other flaws a guy can have - Terrell Owens and Randy Moss are two of the best WRs of this past decade and neither is much of a route runner.
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Terrell Owens and Randy Moss are two of the best WRs of this past decade and neither is much of a route runner.
Owens and Moss might also be the two single best athletes we've seen at the position in the modern era. And both have always run pretty good routes. Owens' problem has been not always making the catch and Moss' problem is playing up to his talent level.
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I think Crabtree can be in that niche of WRs who aren't route runners like Torry holt, Chad Johnson, Deion Branch, Marvin Harrison, etc. but are very good and can get open and make plays with his size and strength like Keyshawn Johnson and Anquan Boldin.
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If Stafford had Tebow's speed he would be Elway but that is Stafford's idol and who he modeled his game after.
Stafford has pretty good speed.

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Percy Harvin = More physical Reggie Bush

Or at least thats how I think he should be used in the NFL.
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does any1 compare to the panthers deangelo williams (I like him)?... does moreno compare even though he doesn't look as built as deA

(talking different subject now)

I'd love for the Jets to get a starting (leon's 2nd rb) playmaker on offense? any 2nd rounder fit the bill?

comparison - malcolm jenkins = charles woodson (pretty much guessing)... how about... andre smith = cards levi brown, except a little better,,, brian orakpo = ninja version of manny lawson (more refined)
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Matthew Stafford - Jay Cutler (They really seem similar to me)

Chris Wells - Jamal Lewis (Maybe not quite as powerful)

Michael Crabtree - Anquan Boldin (I say Boldin because I don't think he can get up as high as Fitzgerald)

Jermaine Gresham - Kellen Winslow Jr. (But better at blocking)

Andre Smith - Marcus McNeil (A little shorter, but IMO a good comparison)

Tyson Jackson - Trevor Pryce (Might not be as good of a pass rusher)

Clint Sintim - Terrell Suggs (First step burst isn't as good)

Malcolm Jenkins - Antoine Winfield - (May be better all around that Winfield though)

Taylor Mays - LaRon Landry (Physical and has great speed, perhaps even better than Landry)

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ohh no you didn't compare Mays to Taylor....
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ohh no you didn't compare Mays to Taylor....
If I did something wrong, I apologize. I'm a noob.

There, I changed it.
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It's all good. It can just spark a heated debate to compare those too. Sean Taylor is one of, if not the best safety prospect ever.
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ohh no you didn't compare Mays to Taylor....
I'd be inclined to compare Mays to Taylor as far as physical ability but not as a playmaker, Mays might be hindered by the SC system but the production just isnt close at the college level.
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I'd be inclined to compare Mays to Taylor as far as physical ability but not as a playmaker, Mays might be hindered by the SC system but the production just isnt close at the college level.
That's more of what I was going for, but i think Landry is a better comparison looking back at it now.
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I probably shouldn't have compared Stafford to Elway. Stafford has a lot of potential. Maybe Stafford-Jeff George(???Both have Big Arms)
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Taylor Mays- Adrian Wilson
-Similar size and physical attributes. The only thing that really might make this a bad comparison is the fact that Adrian Wilson is used in all facets of the game as a Cardinal while Mays is strictly a centerfielder at USC. But Mays shows flashes of Wilson. Mays hits hard, it is to the point that he always goes for the big hit. Mays is also the biggest reason for USC's great pass defense and forces WRs to fear going over the middle. If Mays gets into a system that will capitalize on all his abilities then he will be an Adrian Wilson type player IMO. Stick him with Jim Johnson or Spags and he is an all-pro IMO.

Malcolm Jenkins- Nate Clements
-Extremely similar players IMO. They are both big strong CB's who can shut the recievers down. They both tackle extremely well and could both play FS if needed. They are both ballhawks as well.
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I probably shouldn't have compared Stafford to Elway. Stafford has a lot of potential. Maybe Stafford-Jeff George(???Both have Big Arms)
Stafford seems more humble and grounded than Jeff George. Jay Cutler would probably be a better comparison but i've thrown John Elway's name out there (as a prospect).
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When did Jeff George ever have the mobility to run for 80 yards in a game vs an SEC defense?
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