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Old 12-16-2008, 08:52 PM    (permalink
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oh god, the San Diego thing...with nothing else on him, we bring up that incident, come on D, you're better than that...

No, no no. It's never "it's not my fault", it's "aww shucks" or "come on guys"

not even close to the biggest crybaby. He only played through a sepereated AC shoulder joint. come on now D...
Eli is a very capable QB. But his demeanor is that of a cry baby many times.
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Eli is a very capable QB. But his demeanor is that of a cry baby many times.
Lets not turn this into Eli vs. Romo.

Manning earned all the respect in the world last January. Romo is a great QB that gutted it out as much as any QB can Sunday night and anyone that disagrees is a foolish hater.
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Lets not turn this into Eli vs. Romo.

Manning earned all the respect in the world last January. Romo is a great QB that gutted it out as much as any QB can Sunday night and anyone that disagrees is a foolish hater.
oh yea, they both took a nasty beatdown but kept on getting up. Both are awesome QB's, Romo just shows his emotion more, that's it...
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If this is a collapse...I would love to hear what they call what went down in Dallas Saturday night....
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A Tijuromo.


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That win still doesn't stop me from believing what I feel about the Giants future this season. There is a collapse coming your way... meaning, you'll lose your first playoff game. If you win your first playoff game, I'll eat my crow.

As for Dallas.. if they get to the playoffs and win 1 game, that's progress. ...and that's not a collapse. But that's actually besides the point of this discussion. This discussion had nothing to do with the Boys. They could flake out and not make the playoffs.... and that's pretty much in line with the general public's view of them. On the other hand, when I made this thread, everyone in the world was labeling the Giants as the best team in the NFL. Big difference.
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That win still doesn't stop me from believing what I feel about the Giants future this season. There is a collapse coming your way... meaning, you'll lose your first playoff game. If you win your first playoff game, I'll eat my crow.

As for Dallas.. if they get to the playoffs and win 1 game, that's progress. ...and that's not a collapse. But that's actually besides the point of this discussion. This discussion had nothing to do with the Boys. They could flake out and not make the playoffs.... and that's pretty much in line with the general public's view of them. On the other hand, when I made this thread, everyone in the world was labeling the Giants as the best team in the NFL. Big difference.
The Giants make you eat a lot of crow...have your taste buds adapted yet? I guess the thought process is if you keep on making predictions concerning them, eventually you'll get a couple right and be able to say 'I told you so'
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The Giants make you eat a lot of crow...have your taste buds adapted yet? I guess the thought process is if you keep on making predictions concerning them, eventually you'll get a couple right and be able to say 'I told you so'
Nah. I'm not a constant Giants basher. Never have been. I don't remember making predictions on them before. Nor do I remember ever making "I told you so" posts just to puff up my pride. I just made this thread to stir up discussion and thought. I saw some signs and thought the future wasn't as bright as America was claiming about the so called "best team in the NFL" at the time.

But I promise that if you guys win your first playoff game, I'll give you your due and admit I was dead wrong.
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Nah. I'm not a constant Giants basher. Never have been. I don't remember making predictions on them before. Nor do I remember ever making "I told you so" posts just to puff up my pride. I just made this thread to stir up discussion and thought. I saw some signs and thought the future wasn't as bright as America was claiming about the so called "best team in the NFL" at the time.

But I promise that if you guys win your first playoff game, I'll give you your due and admit I was dead wrong.
Two words for you D....

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Runs too tall and will be prone to injury. Pretty much on point there, no?
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I think Brandon Jacobs doesn't get enough respect as one of the better RBs in this league. His YPC has always been great, and i think its evident now how much he helps the RBs behind him after he softens up the defense.

He doesn't get enough credit as a pass blocker, and while he's an unconventional back, the results speak for themselves.

He is injury prone though, but that comes with being a power runner who keeps getting hit under the belt.
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I think Brandon Jacobs doesn't get enough respect as one of the better RBs in this league. His YPC has always been great, and i think its evident now how much he helps the RBs behind him after he softens up the defense.

He doesn't get enough credit as a pass blocker, and while he's an unconventional back, the results speak for themselves.

He is injury prone though, but that comes with being a power runner who keeps getting hit under the belt.
I agree. I think Jacobs is a better back than noted for. He does a lot of things that go unrecognized for that offense and when he is healthy, there's no denying him. Ward and Bradshaw looked infinitlely better this week with Jacobs in the line up than last week with Jacobs out of the lineup. By the end of the game, that Carolina D looked exhausted... and Jacobs was one of the main reasons why.

I think you need Plax to win the SB though. Hixon's true colors are starting to show and he's not in the same league.
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I agree. I think Jacobs is a better back than noted for. He does a lot of things that go unrecognized for that offense and when he is healthy, there's no denying him. Ward and Bradshaw looked infinitlely better this week with Jacobs in the line up than last week with Jacobs out of the lineup. By the end of the game, that Carolina D looked exhausted... and Jacobs was one of the main reasons why.

I think you need Plax to win the SB though. Hixon's true colors are starting to show and he's not in the same league.
thats personally my biggest concern. if we had Plax, I think we'd run away with the SB this year.

but now without him, its going to be tough. its still possible, but a lot tougher. with Plax the Giants made it look easy. 7 man fronts, we ran anywhere we wanted whenever we wanted.

now, its gonna take a solid defensive effort coupled with great play by Jacobs and Eli to carry our team.
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Runs too tall and will be prone to injury. Pretty much on point there, no?
You said prior to the start of the 2007 season he could never be counted on as an every down back. He is banged up too often for my liking, but him as an every down threat is as dangerous as any back in the league not named Adrian Peterson (the one that wears purple)
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Of course the Giants aren't as good without Plax. And of course Hixon isn't in the same league.

But as long as our backs are healthy, we can put up 24+ points up on anybody in the NFC, no question. And that isn't easy to do in the playoffs especially in the Meadowlands.
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Well apart of the reason why I thought he couldn't be an everydown back is because I thought he wouldn't be able to wtihstand the constant toll that comes with being an everydown back. ...especially with his upright running style, him being an everydown back was not and is not an ideal fit for him.

If you say as long as he's healthy, then that goes directly against one of my main reasons for saying he couldn't be an everydown back in the first place. I have no problems saying he's an everydown back if he never gets injured... but the fact remains, he's been frequently injured in his short career.
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Of course the Giants aren't as good without Plax. And of course Hixon isn't in the same league.

But as long as our backs are healthy, we can put up 24+ points up on anybody in the NFC, no question. And that isn't easy to do in the playoffs especially in the Meadowlands.
10, let's be real. Yes, it's obvious to see it now, but I still remember and I don't think you have already forgotten either... how a lot of people were thinking that the Giants didn't need Plax to win. They were winning w/out him in the beginning and the Giants fans and the media were talking it up about how they didn't need Plax and that you guys had Wrs that could carry the load.

Today, it's a completely different story. Right?
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Well apart of the reason why I thought he couldn't be an everydown back is because I thought he wouldn't be able to wtihstand the constant toll that comes with being an everydown back. ...especially with his upright running style, him being an everydown back was not and is not an ideal fit for him.

If you say as long as he's healthy, then that goes directly against one of my main reasons for saying he couldn't be an everydown back in the first place. I have no problems saying he's an everydown back if he never gets injured... but the fact remains, he's been frequently injured in his short career.
well it dont even have to be one of your reasons its something you should automatically look at when your talking about an every down back.

but i agree with you
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10, let's be real. Yes, it's obvious to see it now, but I still remember and I don't think you have already forgotten either... how a lot of people were thinking that the Giants didn't need Plax to win. They were winning w/out him in the beginning and the Giants fans and the media were talking it up about how they didn't need Plax and that you guys had Wrs that could carry the load.

Today, it's a completely different story. Right?
We can still win without plax it's just harder, if anyone denied that things would be tougher without plax they were being delusional. I love hixon to, but give him an offseason of work as the number guy to settle him down and let him and eli really get a feel for each other and you'll see a completely different level of consistency from Hixon and then we can talk about how we're fine without plax.
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