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Being able to land Anquan Boldin is absolutely huge. While they did have to give up T-Sizzle they chose his replacement in Clay Matthews. I'm not a fan of the Ravens trading away Dawan Landry esp. since Jim Leonhard departed through FA. Despite that one questionable trade, this draft is top notch.
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Baltimore Ravens - GM: APS - Grade - "-A" - Best Pick (Value): Phil Loadholt pick 50 - Worst Pick - DeAngelo Smith #104 (4th Round).

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S Dawan Landry

Cb Frank Walker

# 96 Overall

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#50 Overall

# 104 Overall


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#31 (1st Round)- Clay Matthews, DE/OLB, Southern Cal - Pick Grade B+ - This pick is at value Mathews is expected to go late 1st early 2nd round pick and is a very nice replacement for Terrell Suggs which in hindsight is a great move since they got Clay Matthews here basically getting Boldin cheap only a very slight downgrade at OLB and it is a younger slight downgrade.

#50 (2nd Round)- Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma - Pick Grade A - This is a steal of a pick I have Loadholt as a first round guy I like him better than Britton the trade up with the Browns was reasonable I like this pick.

#104 (4th Round)- DeAngelo Smith, CB, Cincinnati - Grade C - Although Smith has a good value here I don't think he fits the scheme that the Ravens are running Smith seems to be more of the cover 2 type Corner .

#123 (4th Round)- Vance Walker, DE/DT, Georgia Tech- Grade B - Walker is going to be a great rotational guy for the 3-4 scheme. He is taken at value at this point in the 4th.

#167 (5th Round)- Josh Mauga, ILB, Nevada - Grade B- - Might be a reach at this point but it is a reach for a player that fits well has the physical attributes that the Ravens will look for and may be a back up to start off and maybe take over when Ray Ray finally hangs up the cleats for good.

#204 (6th Round)- Richard Quinn, TE, North Carolina - Grade -A - After trading away Heap Quinn isn't going to be an equal to Heap by any means but he is a steal at this point he should have gone a whole round before.

#240 (7th Round)- David Buehler, K, USC - B - Kicker isn't a major need but there isn't any such thing as a bad 7th round pick at the very least he can be a kickoff specialist Scott has said he could go as high as the 5th round and he has physical tools to make the tackle if that return guy gets past everyone.

Overall Grade: -A: i really like what Baltimore has done here there was one guy that I don't think fits but overall they did a great job.
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The main point is, even though we got Anquan, this is still a horrible draft.
Wasting picks on stupid players..
Trading away tons of players to get 2 people and an extra pick..
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The main point is, even though we got Anquan, this is still a horrible draft.
Wasting picks on stupid players..
Trading away tons of players to get 2 people and an extra pick..
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Ok, well next time, you go ahead and do it...fact of the matter is, I filled every need, even ones i created in the Anquan trade, and the roster is no doubt improved. Matthews fills a need at LB, both inside and outside, and his versatility is perfect for our defense. Loadholt, when teamed with Gaither, gives us a huge pair of bookends for years to come. I traded Dawan Landry because first off, I got mid 2nd value for him, which is a ******* steal in every sense of the word, and hes coming off a huge injury and personally, I dont see anything he does that Zbikowski cant do. DeAngelo Smith addresses the need at corner because well, Samari Rolle is **** and he wont play forever. This gives us Washington, Foxworth, Smith and Carr as a good young CB nucleus. Vance Walker has a boatload of potential and could one day replace Pryce on the DL. Mauga was a bit of a reach, but I liked his potential and the fact that he had experience playing inside in a 3-4. Plus, we have little depth at ILB after Scott left, Mauga provides some depth and a bit of a project long term. Richard Quinn was simply me going BPA, Scott has him going in the 3rd in his newest mock, and while we may already have a blocking specialist, Quinn is a better blocker and a better receiver then Sypnewski. Buehler runs a ******* 4.6 and Scott says he could go as high as the 5th, and we need a kicker.

Now, combine the fact that I filled every need and also brought in a Hall of ******* Fame WR in his prime, and added a young, athletic pass catching TE, I think I did damn good. Lets look at the players I traded:

Suggs- He is gone anyways, and if you think we are keeping him, you are naive. On the open market, he will get 20 million more then we can offer him from some ****** team with a ton of cap space who are switching to a 3-4. Not to mention, OLB is easier to draft for then WR.

Landry- I like him, but I just could not turn down 2nd round value when the Browns came knocking. I love both Zbikowski and Nakamura and Ive no doubt that they can do everything Landry did.

Terry- Got beat out by Willie Anderson last year, and hasnt exactly played up to his draft status. He was the key in the Anquan deal, and I feel Loadholt is a huge upgrade.

Figurs- Why do we need him again? He offers nothing as a receiver and Chris Carr is a better return man then he is.

Heap- Seriously, LJ Smith and Alex Smith are both more productive at this point, and no one wants to carry that contract.

So sure, hate on. But if you look at it logically, there was sound decision making behind every trade and every pick. I would love to hear who you all would of drafted in these slots, but I'm sure you would just say that would take too much time and continue to criticize.
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its not that bad IMO.

But saying LJ is more productive then Heap is just insane.

and Alex Smith with his 21 catches last year. He only averaged .4 more yards per catch, and heap is a way better blocker.
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its not that bad IMO.

But saying LJ is more productive then Heap is just insane.

and Alex Smith with his 21 catches last year. He only averaged .4 more yards per catch, and heap is a way better blocker.
The Heap trade was more contract related. I wanted to get rid of his gigantic contract, and I felt that LJ Smith was more then capable of replacing him, and then it just fell wierd that Alex Smith became available, who I like, and Richard Quinn was a pure value pick.
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Basically...you complain too much. I guarantee you if the Ravens actually did that you wouldn't complaining. APS did fine.

He did with the Ravens what he thought would be best. You might have done something differently but it doesn't mean yours would be better. Each person thinks differently even about their own team. Hell, that's why we american football.
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Basically...you complain too much. I guarantee you if the Ravens actually did that you wouldn't complaining. APS did fine.

He did with the Ravens what he thought would be best. You might have done something differently but it doesn't mean yours would be better. Each person thinks differently even about their own team. Hell, that's why we american football.
How do you guarantee that? I mean obviously if the Ravens did that we would complain because we are complaining about it just off of this. It is not like we all are out to make APS look bad. Most people felt he made some bad trades and could of done a lot better. IMO APS did not do fine.
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How do you guarantee that? I mean obviously if the Ravens did that we would complain because we are complaining about it just off of this. It is not like we all are out to make APS look bad. Most people felt he made some bad trades and could of done a lot better. IMO APS did not do fine.
I want to hear why they are bad. I explained my logic in the post above, and what is wrong with it? Other then overrating Suggs, who, dont get me wrong, he is a great player and is still young, but he doesnt impact the game in the same way alot of other great 3-4 OLBs do, you guys have all **** on it without really giving an explanation as to why you didnt like the picks. What is wrong with DeAngelo Smith in a ravens uni? Vance Walker? Id love to hear how those guys are bad picks.
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My problem wasn't your draft picks it was the Suggs trade. You can say he is over-rated all you want but he is a beast and a key piece of our defense. Yea you got Boldin but I am not a fan of making our defense worse just to have a better offense. We are a defensive team and I would like to keep our guys. IMO you should of just offered the 1st and 3rd for Boldin instead of trading Suggs for him. If you could of not landed Boldin with the 1st and 3rd I would of went for a receiver in the 1st and went that route. I am sure you approve of what you did because you did it but I would of did it different.
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Basically...you complain too much. I guarantee you if the Ravens actually did that you wouldn't complaining. APS did fine.

He did with the Ravens what he thought would be best. You might have done something differently but it doesn't mean yours would be better. Each person thinks differently even about their own team. Hell, that's why we american football.
Get your brown stain ass out of here saying we complain too much. He posted his draft in here asking for opinions and he got them. Sorry if it wasn't the gush fest he expected. STRIP posted his 7 round Mock and I liked it far and away more than APS' what is so wrong with that? We all are entitled to our own opinion because we american football.
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Get your brown stain ass out of here saying we complain too much. He posted his draft in here asking for opinions and he got them. Sorry if it wasn't the gush fest he expected. STRIP posted his 7 round Mock and I liked it far and away more than APS' what is so wrong with that? We all are entitled to our own opinion because we american football.
I didnt expect a gush fest, I expected intelligent critiquing of the process, and all I received was "it sucked, you traded everyone"...some in depth analysis of the picks, and some reasoning behind the hatred would be nice...But of course, that would require actual thought now wouldnt it
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I didnt expect a gush fest, I expected intelligent critiquing of the process, and all I received was "it sucked, you traded everyone"...some in depth analysis of the picks, and some reasoning behind the hatred would be nice...But of course, that would require actual thought now wouldnt it
I'd offer my .02 centsa about the draft, but IDK where ya held it. Link?

As for the trades, I really hate trading away Landry. He's a much better cover guy than Zbi is and he's bigger.

I've already stated my opinion on the Matthews pick a while back, so no explanation needed there. He is not a good replacement for Suggs, but Larry English might be.
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I want to hear why they are bad. I explained my logic in the post above, and what is wrong with it? Other then overrating Suggs, who, dont get me wrong, he is a great player and is still young, but he doesnt impact the game in the same way alot of other great 3-4 OLBs do, you guys have all **** on it without really giving an explanation as to why you didnt like the picks. What is wrong with DeAngelo Smith in a ravens uni? Vance Walker? Id love to hear how those guys are bad picks.
How can you say he doesnt impact as much as other 3-4 OLB's? He gets the sacks, tfls, and is great against the run. Who were you thinking of?
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How can you say he doesnt impact as much as other 3-4 OLB's? He gets the sacks, tfls, and is great against the run. Who were you thinking of?
Suggs has only ever had more then 10 sacks twice, his first two years in the league. Obviously I understand sacks arent everything. He is good against the run yes, but he is not stellar against it. He is a great player, but he just does not impact the game in a way that would be irreplaceable on our defense. Demarcus Ware, Shawn Merriman, James Harrison (as much as I hate him) etc. are guys with that huge impact upon the game...I love Suggs, he is a great player, but he is not a game changer in the same way those aforementioned players are. I dont see how trading him for a HoF receiver in his prime is a bad thing, Im sorry.
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Suggs has only ever had more then 10 sacks twice, his first two years in the league. Obviously I understand sacks arent everything. He is good against the run yes, but he is not stellar against it. He is a great player, but he just does not impact the game in a way that would be irreplaceable on our defense. Demarcus Ware, Shawn Merriman, James Harrison (as much as I hate him) etc. are guys with that huge impact upon the game...I love Suggs, he is a great player, but he is not a game changer in the same way those aforementioned players are. I dont see how trading him for a HoF receiver in his prime is a bad thing, Im sorry.
You see, I bet a lot of us don't think Boldin is a HoF. Whenever Suggs went out on defense, we suffered A LOT because of it. Matthews won't be able to replace what he does IMO.
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Suggs has only ever had more then 10 sacks twice, his first two years in the league. Obviously I understand sacks arent everything. He is good against the run yes, but he is not stellar against it. He is a great player, but he just does not impact the game in a way that would be irreplaceable on our defense. Demarcus Ware, Shawn Merriman, James Harrison (as much as I hate him) etc. are guys with that huge impact upon the game...I love Suggs, he is a great player, but he is not a game changer in the same way those aforementioned players are. I dont see how trading him for a HoF receiver in his prime is a bad thing, Im sorry.
Is Boldin really a HoF receiver?

IMO I don't think it is a good thing to make our defense worse just to have a better offense. Mathews is not going to give you what Suggs gives you. Is he as good as Merriman or Ware? No but he doesn't have to be. He brings enough pressure to flush the QB out the pocket to throw a low percentage pass. That is what we get from Suggs and that is what I want to keep getting. Boldin would help our offense a lot I agree but like I said not for Suggs. Pass rush is a huge part of our defense and losing Suggs would ruin that.
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Apparently Hakeem Nicks and Darrius Heyward-Bey are our two favorite WR prospects. I slighty prefer Nicks by a hair but I'd love DHB as well. Can't freakin wait till draft day!!!!!!!
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Apparently Hakeem Nicks and Darrius Heyward-Bey are our two favorite WR prospects. I slighty prefer Nicks by a hair but I'd love DHB as well. Can't freakin wait till draft day!!!!!!!
I read Nicks was out of shape when we visited him and it turned us off to the idea of selecting him in the 1st round.
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ya I dont think Nicks is going in the 1st at all.
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I read Nicks was out of shape when we visited him and it turned us off to the idea of selecting him in the 1st round.
Most reports have been saying that he's back down to his normal weight...
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Just as a parting shot to the forum mock criticisms, here is the official draft grade and synopsis from "Mel Kiper"

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The Ravens traded away franchised Terrell Suggs to add Anquan Boldin, which I feel was a good move to help a stuttering offense. They got nice value with Clay Matthews and Phil Loadholt, both of whom could start as rookies. Their later round picks also included some value picks like Vance Walker, Richard Quinn, and David Buehler. I wasn’t a big fan of trading away Dawan Landry, but as long as the Anquan deal doesn’t blow up in their face, this should be a great draft.
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congrats some poster who is using the name Mel Kiper is claiming you had a good draft. I wonder who Mel Kiper really is. Anyway it won't change the posters opinions. Personally I think it is alright but it could have been better
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