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I wouldnt want Boldin, he is 30, he is super injury prone, and he will demand a big contract. So will Marshall but marshall is 25 and is arguably better right now.
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[quote=BigDawg819;1996221]Hasn't that been the philosophy all along with draft picks at WR:

Mark Clayton
Demetrius Williams
Travis Taylor
Marcus Smith
etc
etc
etc

WR is an issue with this team, everyone in the city of Baltimore has known this for ages with the exception of Ozzie it seems. Bottomline to me the most important thing for this team is not exactly at any position, but the following:

1. Find a true "identity" for this team.

Are going to be a smash mouth running team, an aerial assault team, a defensive team, etc etc etc.... This every game speaks for itself nonsense that Harbaugh spews is a great for the media, but doesn't hold water in terms of football as evidence of the poor play down the stretch despite making it to the playoffs.

2. Build the team around that "Identity"

Joe Flacco showed me something in that Colt loss with his fire and passion on the sideline rants. He can put up the numbers in this league but is going to need weapons and time in the pocket. That is why we need to know what we are doing on offense, as opposed to this willy nilly style of game plan that Cam seems to draw up every week.


Kinda simple strategy but hey its not exactly rocket science.[/QUOTE/]

Now its Jim Harbaugh??!! C'Mon Son!!

Harbaugh has kept us together and got a lot out of this team. He was the right fit. Teams that go after a "style" of play passing team running team defensive team etc. always end up losing in the long run. Teams that play as TEAMS win games, the identity needs to be a winning attitude regardless of who is making the plays which is what our identity is. When Denver of the 80's 90's was known as a "passing team" they lost Super Bowls as soon as they balanced that image and were known as a great team they won, was the Dallas dynasty of the 90's a running team or a passing team or a defensive team? Is New England a one trick pony? Lets look at the two teams in the super bowl. Indy until they got a defense they were strictly a passing team and did they win a super bowl? Until the Saints got a real running game and a defense did that passing attack get them to a super bowl?

I think you need to rethink your theory on Identity and look again at this team.
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Ok the Ravens are one of my teams for the mock on here though im an OAK fan living here in MD, but first 2 picks have been Arrelious Benn in round 1, and Dunlap since Pryce is getting up there in age and too good to pass on.. what should I address in the 3rd, I was thinking CB or another reciever since Lafell is still on the board along with Mccluster, Decker..
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CB would be nice, but if Brandon LaFell is availible in the third, don't pass him up. Benn + LaFell gives Flacco two big WR's to grow and develope chemistry with throughout his career.

I love how your draft is going thus far though.
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Dunlap wouldn't replace what Pryce can do, but it's still probably a good pick. Another receiver, a tight-end, or secondary help would probably be ideal.
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Jesus, if we snagged Benn and Dunlap in 1 and 2 Id be ecstatic...Like the others said, if LaFell is available, snag him, if not, go with the best CB or pass rusher
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Hasn't that been the philosophy all along with draft picks at WR:

Mark Clayton
Demetrius Williams
Travis Taylor
Marcus Smith
etc
etc
etc

WR is an issue with this team, everyone in the city of Baltimore has known this for ages with the exception of Ozzie it seems. Bottomline to me the most important thing for this team is not exactly at any position, but the following:

1. Find a true "identity" for this team.

Are going to be a smash mouth running team, an aerial assault team, a defensive team, etc etc etc.... This every game speaks for itself nonsense that Harbaugh spews is a great for the media, but doesn't hold water in terms of football as evidence of the poor play down the stretch despite making it to the playoffs.

2. Build the team around that "Identity"

Joe Flacco showed me something in that Colt loss with his fire and passion on the sideline rants. He can put up the numbers in this league but is going to need weapons and time in the pocket. That is why we need to know what we are doing on offense, as opposed to this willy nilly style of game plan that Cam seems to draw up every week.


Kinda simple strategy but hey its not exactly rocket science.[/QUOTE/]

Now its Jim Harbaugh??!! C'Mon Son!!

Harbaugh has kept us together and got a lot out of this team. He was the right fit. Teams that go after a "style" of play passing team running team defensive team etc. always end up losing in the long run. Teams that play as TEAMS win games, the identity needs to be a winning attitude regardless of who is making the plays which is what our identity is. When Denver of the 80's 90's was known as a "passing team" they lost Super Bowls as soon as they balanced that image and were known as a great team they won, was the Dallas dynasty of the 90's a running team or a passing team or a defensive team? Is New England a one trick pony? Lets look at the two teams in the super bowl. Indy until they got a defense they were strictly a passing team and did they win a super bowl? Until the Saints got a real running game and a defense did that passing attack get them to a super bowl?

I think you need to rethink your theory on Identity and look again at this team.

Dallas was all three
New England always had a balanced attack during their 3 wins
Indy's balance is letting Peyton do what he does
NO has a running game by committee that works and the team is balanced

All these teams had an "identity" that they didn't veer from and it worked. We do not have that. We never know what to expect on offense, penalties are huge concern which is a lack of discipline, and the defense still needs to adapt to the DC's system.

So yeah "Identity" needs to be the biggest concern, because until you have on you can't build around it.
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Dallas was all three
New England always had a balanced attack during their 3 wins
Indy's balance is letting Peyton do what he does
NO has a running game by committee that works and the team is balanced

All these teams had an "identity" that they didn't veer from and it worked. We do not have that. We never know what to expect on offense, penalties are huge concern which is a lack of discipline, and the defense still needs to adapt to the DC's system.

So yeah "Identity" needs to be the biggest concern, because until you have on you can't build around it.
Ok what you just described is called BALANCE not an identity. I would argue that Indy has no balance if so they would have won a lot more in the playoffs and would have won the other night.

We are building balance, we have a great Defense, a great Running game and we are a WR away from having a great passing attack to go along with solid special teams.

You are lost on your view of "Identity" when what we need is balance.
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Ok what you just described is called BALANCE not an identity. I would argue that Indy has no balance if so they would have won a lot more in the playoffs and would have won the other night.

We are building balance, we have a great Defense, a great Running game and we are a WR away from having a great passing attack to go along with solid special teams.

You are lost on your view of "Identity" when what we need is balance.
I'm lost? Are you serious?

Our defense is very suspect with the uncertainty of Reed not to mention a total lack of corner depth.

1 WR??????????? We have no receivers to speak of, and this from one of the biggest Clayton supporters.

And no one really knows if Willis will be back or not so that leaves us Rice and a bunch of unproven backups.


The need of an offensive identity is imperative. This league is becoming a passing league and this team has never been that this century.
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New Ravens Mock 2/12/10
*1st round: Carlos Dunlap, DE
*2nd round: Jordan Shipley, WR
* 3rd round: Anthony McCoy, TE
* 4th round: Dez Briscoe, WR
* 5th round: Van Eskridge, FS
* 6th round: Crezdon Butler, CB
* 7th round: Dexter Davis, OLB

I like. What's everyone else think?
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I wouldn't like that draft very much. Dunlap in the first isn't a good pick at all for us, and waiting until the 6th round to address corner is a terrible decision. I do like McCoy and Briscoe in the 3rd/4th, but we still wouldn't have a receiver that can get separation or be a factor on the outside (no Shipley is not that type of player).
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Dunlap in the first isn't a good pick at all for us, and waiting until the 6th round to address corner is a terrible decision
- Baltimore has invested too much in the development of Washington,Foxworth, and Carr.
- Webb is the best corner on the team IMO
- Dunlap at 25 would be a huge steal, especially since Pryce is close to retirement.
- At 25, Baltimore will have many options..
1) Receiver: Tate, Benn, Gilyard, and Lafell should all be available at 25.
2) D-End: Dunlap, Odrick, and Wootoon will all get some thought as well.
3) Corner: Patrick Robinson, and Perrish Cox might still be available at 25, but Donovan Warren, and Kyle Wilson are just as talented, and will likely be available in round 2.
Golden Tate would be the ideal pickup in round 1
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We haven't exactly invested much in either Washington or Carr. Fabian cost a 4th round pick and Carr got a two year deal around 4 mil.

I agree Webb is the best corner on the team, but there is a decent chance that he will miss the first 6 weeks of next season on the PUP list. We also need a guy that's physical and can be matched up on the bigger receivers, like how Frank Walker is used.

If you're comparing Dunlap to Pryce, you're WAY off base. Dunlap isn't even close to the type of Player that Pryce is. For one, Dunlap looks to be strictly a 4-3 RE. If we are in a 4-3 set, Suggs is the guy at RE. Dunlap nor any other rookie would supplant him there. Pryce is extremely versatile, and our best player we have at collapsing the pocket. He can play UT or LE in a 4-3. as well as the 5 technique in a 3-4. If we go for a DE in the first, it will be somebody like Odrick and possibly Brian Price.
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I think DL is a sleeper too watch out for come draft day. Remember last year? Tackle was a need, but everyone thought the Ravens would put WR and CB ahead on there draft board, but ultimately, they picked the BPA that filled the biggest need, and that was Michael Oher. If a guy like Dan Williams or Jared Odrick, and ever Carlos Dunlap fall to 25, or even 20, look for Ozzie to trade up.

I know DL isn't the popular pick, but that's where we win games, and when you look at it, a better pass rush means the d-backfield improves.
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I think DL is a sleeper too watch out for come draft day. Remember last year? Tackle was a need, but everyone thought the Ravens would put WR and CB ahead on there draft board, but ultimately, they picked the BPA that filled the biggest need, and that was Michael Oher. If a guy like Dan Williams or Jared Odrick, and ever Carlos Dunlap fall to 25, or even 20, look for Ozzie to trade up.

I know DL isn't the popular pick, but that's where we win games, and when you look at it, a better pass rush means the d-backfield improves.
I understand what you are saying but unless we are going to address the offense in free agency or through trade we need to improve there. Defense isn't the problem. It's not being able to keep up with the high scoring teams.
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BPA at a position of need is usually the way Ozzie rolls. Now I doubt that Dan Williams would be the BPA at a position of need if he fell to us (we already have plenty of NTs), but I agree with what you're getting at.
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we'll Gregg is getting up there in age, Bannan is a free agent, and I don't know how well McKinney and Talavou are doing, but I would love Ngata and Williams next to each other in a 43.
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I wouldn't. Ngata may be athletic, but he doesn't get consistent pressure on the quarterback at all. He's a great run-stuffer and he's really good at keeping lineman off of our linebackers/blitzers, but he's not a pass-rusher.
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2/20/10

Ravens Mock Draft

1st; Golden Tate, WR

- Tate is a game changer, and can take short play action passes to the house. He'll be Flacco's future go-to man, and would start with Derrick Mason as a rookie; allowing Stallworth to play in the slot..

2nd; Donovan Warren, CB

- Warren is a great athlete, and arguably the best cover corner in the draft. With him still on the board, Baltimore has a stud fall right into their laps (NO HOMOOO).. He'd compete for playing time as a rookie, and end up kicking Fabian out of town.. Definite future starter for Baltimore, that has pro bowl potential. Warren, and Webb would be a great duo.

3rd; Alex Carrington, DE

- Small school monster, that dominated at his level. A playmaker with great size, and amazing strength, Carrington would soon replace the aging Trevor Pryce. Complete steal if he slips to the 3rd round.

4th; Andrew Quarless, TE

- Tightend is need, and Quarless is a playmaker. I don't believe Todd Heap is done just yet, but once he is, Quarless will be groomed into a solid receiving tightend.

5th; Chris McGaha, WR

- Second receiver might not be the biggest need, but Ravens need a complete transformation at the position and some new faces.. McGaha has elite hands, and runs solid routes.. Could very well succeed as a possession guy in the NFL.

6th; Van Eskridge, FS

- Ed Reed will soon be gone, and Eskridge is worthy to replace him. He's a disciplined playmaker, that should impress on special teams as a rookie.

7th; Rusty Smith, QB

- If Flacco goes down, Baltimore would be screwed when Troy Smith leaves town.. Rusty Smith is a talented sleeper, that has the size, arm, and intelligence to be a starter in the NFL. If he slips to round 7, he'd be a great steal to backup Flacco.

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Great. More receivers that can get separation to save their lives. I like the other picks though.
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Other than Arellious Benn, I don't really want any other WR at #25. I'm not entirely sold on Tate and am not quite sure what he would bring to the offense. Benn is a very talented WR who is arguably the best WR in the draft at getting YAC. Our receivers do a very pour job at getting YAC and because of this the quick passing game fails to generate big plays. I'm not sure if Tate is as explosive as an athlete as some make him out to be.

Also, the more I watch of him, the more I like Perrish Cox. Great size, very athletic, has great feet and plays the ball very well. Has the ability to be a #1 CB. Also does a pretty good job at supporting aginst the run and provides value as a returner. I would be just fine if the Ravens took him at 25 if Gresham is off the board.
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Benn is good but any WR we bring in we can't expect anything great from them in year 1. Its more of a gamble taking a WR in the 1st then a QB. We have had better luck drafting QB's then we have had drafting WR's in ANY round let alone the 1st.

I still think the way to go is to try and trade for a Starter at WR and still draft a WR at #1.
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Benn is good but any WR we bring in we can't expect anything great from them in year 1. Its more of a gamble taking a WR in the 1st then a QB. We have had better luck drafting QB's then we have had drafting WR's in ANY round let alone the 1st.

I still think the way to go is to try and trade for a Starter at WR and still draft a WR at #1.
I agree with that, but at the same time if we don't trade for one and we draft Benn and DMas comes back I think we will still be in good shape...I'm pleased with the way this offseason has started so far with the signing of Zorn and Stallworth...FA is rapidly approaching folks, can't wait.....
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Id much rather give up a 1 and a 3 for Brandon Marshall then draft Arrelious Benn or Golden Tate.
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I agree with that, but at the same time if we don't trade for one and we draft Benn and DMas comes back I think we will still be in good shape...I'm pleased with the way this offseason has started so far with the signing of Zorn and Stallworth...FA is rapidly approaching folks, can't wait.....
I don't dispute that we will be better off with some fresh legs in here anyway its sliced. Clayton and D Will are not the options we need!!

My thought is lets contact NE about the availability of Moss straight up for our #2 or #3. He has one year left and could end up just like they did with Richard Seymour?
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