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2000 Baltimore Ravens 120 88.89%
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Old 12-18-2008, 02:07 PM    (permalink
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Default NFLDC Opinion.. 2008 Steelers D vs. 2000 Ravens D

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I'm just curious on the perception here.

Would love to see BBD's comments on this.
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I'm just curious on the perception here.

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i think if the steelers win the superbowl and dominate on def like the ravens did in 2000 through the playoffs they will probably be better (man thats hard to say)
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i think if the steelers win the superbowl and dominate on def like the ravens did in 2000 through the playoffs they will probably be better (man thats hard to say)
I wish we had the running game the 2000 Ravens did. Man was Lewis impossible to stop that season.
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As a Steelers fan, right now, I still have the Ravens D higher on my list. Their offense was SO bad. They had 5 straight games without a TD or something? The defense still won a title for them. Yes, if the Steelers win the SB, then we get the debate, but not yet.
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As a Steelers fan, right now, I still have the Ravens D higher on my list. Their offense was SO bad. They had 5 straight games without a TD or something? The defense still won a title for them. Yes, if the Steelers win the SB, then we get the debate, but not yet.
yea we didnt score a td in 5 games all fgs lol......but thats the only thing thats in the way

4. 2000 Baltimore Ravens: Ray Lewis and Rod Woodson led a defense that allowed the fewest points and rushing yards in NFL history during a 16-game season. So overwhelming and intimidating was the presence of the Ravens' defense that it often managed to keep its own offense scoreless, too.
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I wish we had the running game the 2000 Ravens did. Man was Lewis impossible to stop that season.
yea lewis was crazy that year but holmes was big for us also.
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Lewis wasn't that good in 2000.....he averaged 3.3 yards per carry in the playoffs.
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Lewis wasn't that good in 2000.....he averaged 3.3 yards per carry in the playoffs.
yea it was his rookie year im pretty sure but he was good for us
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i think its not even a debate
the ravens D was as stout as a defense can be
we even gave up close to 40 points in our season finale game and still broke the record

in my opinion, its not even close
but i will say that i think Pitt has the best defense this season
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not relevant
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This has nothing to do with that :P It's a debate between these two defenses, not best all-time or anything.
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Lewis wasn't that good in 2000.....he averaged 3.3 yards per carry in the playoffs.
The dude rushed for 1,300+ yards with Trent Dilfer/Tony Banks as QB's..

With Shannon Sharpe and Qadry Ismail as their only receivers.
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Let me also add that I think the Steelers have to pitch a shut out in the next two games to even be in the discussion.
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That article has no stats to support his theory. How many PPG and YPG did the 2000 Ravens D let up compared to this years Steelers D?
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I think we have to wait till seasons end to completely judge this. At this point the Ravens D is higher for me. Steelers haven't allowed over 300 yards in any game this year I believe, which is absolutely ridiculous. If the Steeler D can dominate the playoffs, they'll have a more solid case than they do now.
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Let me also add that I think the Steelers have to pitch a shut out in the next two games to even be in the discussion.
Which isn't entirely crazy in the least.

Though I'm sure Rob Bironas will piss me off.

We can shut down Tennessee's run game, and I think Collins is going to get hit... a lot.

Add Dorsey at QB for the Browns and the fact any of their good players have given up this season...
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The dude rushed for 1,300+ yards with Trent Dilfer/Tony Banks as QB's..

With Shannon Sharpe and Qadry Ismail as their only receivers.
Yea I understand he did pretty good with nothing. But he wasn't impossible. He broke 100 yards 5 times during the regular season. And against Dallas and Cleveland he had 357 yards in those two games. I just don't think he was good enough to call impossible to stop. But thats not really what this is about.

The defesnes are mighty close but I agree we need to see what they do in the playoffs. The Ravens D is ahead as of right now but depending on the playoffs that could change.
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You can't compare unless the steelers win the super bowl.


If the steelers don't win the Ravens are better plain and simple
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Yea we should reopen this poll IF the Steelers take the Superbowl.
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IMO, and keep in mind I may be a tiny bit biased absolutely hating everything about the Steelers and being a Ravens fan, the 2000 defense is better. Although I will admit that the Steelers defense has been very impressive this year, they arent light years ahead of other great defenses this year. Baltimore and Tennessee both have really great defenses this year, and for a while, I dont even think Pitt was the best defense in the league. Not that its really relevant, cause the 2000 Ravens wasnt #1 in every category or anything, but they didnt have near the offensive help that the Pitt defense has. Hines Ward? Santonio Holmes? Big Ben? Are you kidding me? Shannon Sharpe and Jamal Lewis were the 2000 Ravens offense lol. Just seems on a different level if you ask me.
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That article has no stats to support his theory. How many PPG and YPG did the 2000 Ravens D let up compared to this years Steelers D?
Here's a fun fact.


The Ravens were 2nd in the league in YPG to the Tennessee Titans.

Ravens 2000 Stats:

10.3 PPG
247.9 Yards per game
4.3 Yards per play
187.3 Yards passing per game allowed
6.0 Yards per pass average
60.6 Yards rushing per game allowed
2.7 yards per rush
35 Sacks
23 INT's

Pittsburgh's 2008 Stats:


13.7 PPG
239.1 Yards per game
3.9 Yards per Play
163.3 Yards passing per game allowed
5.4 Yards Per Pass average
75.8 Yards rushing per game allowed
3.2 Yards Per rush average
47 Sacks
18 INT's


Don't overlook that offenses have become more highpowered as well in the last 8 seasons.
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