Browns Fire GM Savage - Page 2

The Legend · 12-28-2008, 08:52 PM

Lions should sign him.

BmoreBlackByrdz · 12-28-2008, 09:07 PM

I've read two articles saying Romeo will be fired very soon and that they (the browns) are looking to sign Titans defensive cordinator; forgot his name but he'd install a 4-3 in Cleveland which would be nasty, with Rogers and Corey Williams in the middle and Wimbley on an edge, it would really suit the players better.

Staubach12 · 12-28-2008, 09:13 PM

Come on Dallas, bring him in as a scout or SOMETHING!

WinslowBodden · 12-28-2008, 09:14 PM

I don't get why people think Savage has done such an amazing job.

He threw a ton of money at Gary Baxter... He ended up hurt and did nothing.

He threw a ton of money at LeCharles Bentley, he ended up getting hurt and did nothing.

He threw a ton of money at Kevin Shaffer, he sucks horribly and is extremely overpaid.

He threw a ton of money at Stallworth, 7 years 35 million... PLEASE...

He refused to trade Derek Anderson for a first round pick, now were stuck with a backup QB that will take an 8 million cap hit if we can't do anything with him.

He constantly went against with what Crennel wanted and knew he needed as far as players went to fit his scheme, and when he did go with him, he passed on Haloti Ngata for Kamerion Wimbley, giving the Ravens the one piece to their defense that they were really hurting for.

There is friction between him and Kellen Winslow as far as contracts go.

He stated he wants to draft catholic players.

He blew up on a Browns fan in an e-mail.

His only decent pick past round 2 is a fullback.

Of the 30 players draft in 4 years only a handful of the players are even worth a damn and 2 of them were pretty much shoe-in draft picks (Joe Thomas and Braylon Edwards, and Braylon has had one good year.) He traded a 3rd round pick in 2009 for a 4th round pick in 2008 so he could get a 4th string tight end? SERIOUSLY? WITH A PRO BOWL TIGHT END ON THE ROSTER?

Of the good things he has done, he has traded for Shaun Rogers as well as draft Joe Thomas which was a no brainer. He also picked up Cribbs as an undrafted free agent.

Savage had 4 years, we had one winning season, him and Crennel deserve to be gone.

BeerBaron · 12-28-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

He threw a ton of money at Gary Baxter... He ended up hurt and did nothing.

He threw a ton of money at LeCharles Bentley, he ended up getting hurt and did nothing.

I'm not sure you can't totally pin those guys being FA busts on the GM. Both of their injuries were pretty freak iirc as none had a prior injury past.

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Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

He stated he wants to draft catholic players.

lmao....seriously? he should just be the AD of Notre Dame because theres just no way you can make something like that work in pro football. wow.....thats just asinine.

I'm going to become a GM and only draft players from Idaho who have at least 3 syllables in their last name. Be about the same effect in terms of their play on the field.....damn.

WinslowBodden · 12-28-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

I'm not sure you can't totally pin those guys being FA busts on the GM. Both of their injuries were pretty freak iirc as none had a prior injury past.

I know, but he also gave Bentley 6 years 36 million and Baxter a **** load as well, we traded a 2nd round pick for Corey Williams and ended up paying him something barely short of 40 million, yet we didn't get any good linebackers in a 3-4... Brilliant.

That stuff would be alright if he actually drafted well in the second day, but we have something like 2 day two starters on our roster since Savage has had control of the team.

BeerBaron · 12-28-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

I know, but he also gave Bentley 6 years 36 million and Baxter a **** load as well, we traded a 2nd round pick for Corey Williams and ended up paying him something barely short of 40 million, yet we didn't get any good linebackers in a 3-4... Brilliant.

Wasn't Andra Davis coming off of a few really good years, and then they did draft Wimbley who had a good rookie year at least. So he tried but yeah.....LB is not a spot to be thin at in a 3-4. Look at the Steelers....Bell and Porter and Haggans are phased out, Harrison, Woodley, and Timmons are worked in. No problems there....

bearsfan_51 · 12-28-2008, 09:27 PM

It's true. Savage has always been massively overrated, particularly in the non-draft aspects of the game. It's not like Cincy or Arizona where the owners don't spend much money, Savage got to play like a kid in the candy store and his teams still suck.

Addict · 12-28-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Legend

Lions should sign him.

seconded, regardless of how the Browns have done this season, he's a solid GM and sure as hell beats anything Ford Sr. has on his shortlist.

BeerBaron · 12-28-2008, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Addict

seconded, regardless of how the Browns have done this season, he's a solid GM and sure as hell beats anything Ford Sr. has on his shortlist.

lol, aren't they keeping all the same guys? thats incredibly sad if so....only the Lions.

jkpigskin · 12-28-2008, 09:46 PM

Maybe the GM position was too much for Phil Savage.. he thought he could be like his mentor Ozzie Newsome, but I do agree that he is a very good talent evaluator... Maybe PR isnt his thing

BeerBaron · 12-28-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jkpigskin

Maybe the GM position was too much for Phil Savage.. he thought he could be like his mentor Ozzie Newsome, but I do agree that he is a very good talent evaluator... Maybe PR isnt his thing

maybe give him some good money to be strictly director of college scouting, draft who he tells you to draft, and then have someone else be an actual GM do the signings and managing.

kind of asinine but it'd maximize his role doing what he's kind of best at...

sbh15 · 12-28-2008, 10:06 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3795786

Looks like they're cleaning house.

Pb&j · 12-28-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

I don't get why people think Savage has done such an amazing job.

He threw a ton of money at Gary Baxter... He ended up hurt and did nothing.

He threw a ton of money at LeCharles Bentley, he ended up getting hurt and did nothing.

He threw a ton of money at Kevin Shaffer, he sucks horribly and is extremely overpaid.

He threw a ton of money at Stallworth, 7 years 35 million... PLEASE...

He refused to trade Derek Anderson for a first round pick, now were stuck with a backup QB that will take an 8 million cap hit if we can't do anything with him.

Come on, to say baxter and bentley were savage's fault is stupid.

Kevin Shaffer is an average tackle, and is really not as overpaid as so many Browns fans want to think, he really falls into line for what an average right tackle is paid.

Stallworth is not going to see anywhere close to 35 million. Remember before 2007 he signed a six-year deal worth $30 million with the pats? well, they didn't pick up the option for the second year and he wasn't paid that much. Same thing is going to happen here.

You cannot really fault him for Anderson, who knew what we had in Quinn and who knows now? He was coming off a great year, and the contract he signed was very reasonable. He even has one of those fancy bonuses due that the browns don't have to pick up, which makes him a free agent. Those reported trade offers of 1st round picks were very likely just a bunch of BS created by Savage to cover his ass, the fans wanted Quinn.

Iamcanadian · 12-28-2008, 10:15 PM

The firing of Savage will prove to be a disaster for Cleveland. Lerner paniced and gave into fan discontent and that always is bad for any franchise.
Lerner looks to be headed to the list of terrible owners who haven't a clue about how to build a winning franchise.
Cleveland finished last year at 10-4 in Savage's 3rd year on the job. He inherited a team that wasn't much better than Detroit's team this year after the Butch Davis' era. This season Cleveland faced the toughest schedule in the NFL bar none playing teams with over a .585 winning percentage and the young team buckled under the stress and injuries to their QB's.
This firing is pure and simply panic on Lerner's part and I believe will prove to be a disaster for this franchise.

WinslowBodden · 12-28-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

The firing of Savage will prove to be a disaster for Cleveland. Lerner paniced and gave into fan discontent and that always is bad for any franchise.
Lerner looks to be headed to the list of terrible owners who haven't a clue about how to build a winning franchise.

6-10 4-12 10-6 4-12

What exactly has he done to earn his job?

WinslowBodden · 12-28-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pb&j

Come on, to say baxter and bentley were savage's fault is stupid.

Kevin Shaffer is an average tackle, and is really not as overpaid as so many Browns fans want to think, he really falls into line for what an average right tackle is paid.

Didn't, just said he overpaid for players and they ended up getting hurt.

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Stallworth is not going to see anywhere close to 35 million. Remember before 2007 he signed a six-year deal worth $30 million with the pats? well, they didn't pick up the option for the second year and he wasn't paid that much. Same thing is going to happen here.

He still signed him to a deal that would have paid him that much and Stallworth hasn't done anything

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You cannot really fault him for Anderson, who knew what we had in Quinn and who knows now? He was coming off a great year, and the contract he signed was very reasonable. He even has one of those fancy bonuses due that the browns don't have to pick up, which makes him a free agent. Those reported trade offers of 1st round picks were very likely just a bunch of BS created by Savage to cover his ass, the fans wanted Quinn.

If he didn't think Quinn was gonna be the real deal why did we trade a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick for him...

Hines · 12-28-2008, 10:48 PM

I dont think Cowher goes to Cleveland. If he does, not next season. I think he likes working only 1 day a week and being an analyst. If he were to come back, the only place I could have seen him go was to Carolina. But since Fox is no longer on the hot seat, he wont be going there.

Savage should go to Detroit to at least get some talent there.

Another direction the Browns should go is Marty. He would be a good GM and coach.

bearsfan_51 · 12-28-2008, 11:19 PM

This from the local Cleveland sports guy (I'm visiting family back in Cleveland).

-The Browns will quickly interview a minority candidate (token interview yes, but at least they hired Crennel)

-They will then meet with Bill Cowher and offer him everything, expecting that he will very likely say no.

-They will then offer the GM position to Scott Pioli, who is very likely to say yes. He has Cleveland ties and everyone knows that he's ready to ge tout from Bellicheck's shadow. Pioli is then likely to look at Kirk Ferentz (also past experience with the Browns) or Josh McDaniels.

Some of it is obvious speculation, but the guy is the voice of the Browns and would probably know as well as anyone.

Pb&j · 12-29-2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

Didn't, just said he overpaid for players and they ended up getting hurt.

He still signed him to a deal that would have paid him that much and Stallworth hasn't done anything

If he didn't think Quinn was gonna be the real deal why did we trade a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick for him...

How exactly did he overpay for Gary Baxter and LeCharles Bentley? A starting cornerback isn't exactly cheap, but the contract we gave him was in line with other starting cornerbacks. And Bentley was legitimately one of, if not the best centers in the league before his injury. I just don't see how that is overpaying.

About stallworth's contract: he was never going to see the full seven years. That is the nature of contracts in the NFL. I could sign a 50 year, 100 billion dollar contract and receive nothing, depending on how the contract was written. Get over it. Why even worry about "overpaying"? Lerner is filthy rich, and he is the one paying, not you. And please do not claim season ticket prices, because I have been buying them since the return and the prices are some of the lowest in the leauge.

If we are sure about Brady Quinn because we spent a 1st and 2nd on him, are we also sure about Tim Couch because we spent a 1st overall on him?

WinslowBodden · 12-29-2008, 12:33 AM

I would hope that we would have been pretty damn sure about Tim Couch at #1 overall... I hope we didn't just pick his name out of a straw.

Iamcanadian · 12-29-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

I would hope that we would have been pretty damn sure about Tim Couch at #1 overall... I hope we didn't just pick his name out of a straw.

????, you do know that Savage wasn't your GM when Couch was drafted along with all the other busts that Butch Davis drafted.

bigbluedefense · 12-29-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

This from the local Cleveland sports guy (I'm visiting family back in Cleveland).

-The Browns will quickly interview a minority candidate (token interview yes, but at least they hired Crennel)

-They will then meet with Bill Cowher and offer him everything, expecting that he will very likely say no.

-They will then offer the GM position to Scott Pioli, who is very likely to say yes. He has Cleveland ties and everyone knows that he's ready to ge tout from Bellicheck's shadow. Pioli is then likely to look at Kirk Ferentz (also past experience with the Browns) or Josh McDaniels.

Some of it is obvious speculation, but the guy is the voice of the Browns and would probably know as well as anyone.

If McDaniels gets hired, my guess is he sticks with a 3-4. Id agree with that only bc Pioli is a 3-4 guy, and you really need a 3-4 GM to draft 3-4 players. its not easy finding players for the 3-4, so you really need a guy with experience to do that.

although i think they are better suited to run a 4-3 for the immediate future.

Smooth Criminal · 12-29-2008, 11:23 AM

Mortensen reports Cowher told Lerner that he isn't interested in a coaching job in 2009.

Pioli is lined up for an interview for GM. If I'm the Browns I try to get Pioli and then McDaniels.

Iamcanadian · 12-29-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Criminal

Mortensen reports Cowher told Lerner that he isn't interested in a coaching job in 2009.

Pioli is lined up for an interview for GM. If I'm the Browns I try to get Pioli and then McDaniels.

H...mmm, 3 of BB's coaches just got fired by their teams, Crennel, Weis and Mangini, so what makes McDaniels such a great hire.