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Old 01-01-2009, 09:04 AM    (permalink
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QB- Eli Manning, Giants
RB- Brandon Jacobs, Giants
RB- Clinton Portis, Redskins
FB- Madison Hedgecock, Giants
WR1- Terrell Owens, Cowboys
WR2- DeSean Jackson, Eagles
TE- Jason Witten, Cowboys
LT- Tra Thomas, Eagles
LG- Leonard Davis, Cowboys
C- Andre Gurode, Cowboys
RG- Chris Snee, Giants
RT- David Diehl, Giants

For the OL, I just tried to get the best OL regardless of official position. That's why Diehl is at RT.

4-3 defense

DE- Justin Tuck, Giants
DT- Brodrick Bunkley, Eagles
DT- Jay Ratliff, Cowboys
DE- Darren Howard, Eagles
LB- DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys (The man can play wherever the hell he wants)
LB- London Fletcher, Redskins
LB- Stewart Bradley, Eagles (I'm a homer. Sue me)
CB- Sheldon Brown, Eagles
FS- LaRon Landry, Redskins
SS- Quintin Mikell, Eagles
CB- Corey Webster, Giants

PR- DeSean Jackson, Eagles
KR- Quintin Demps, Eagles

Probably too many Eagles for you guys, but let's see yours.
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QB - Tony Romo - Cowboys
RB - Brandon Jacobs - Giants
FB - Madison Hedgecock - Giants
WR - Terrell Owens - Cowboys
WR - Santana Moss - Redskins
TE - Jason Witten - Cowboys
LT - Tra Thomas - Eagles
LG - Todd Herremans - Eagles
C - Shaun O'Hara - Giants
RG - Chris Snee - Giants
RT - Marc Columbo - Cowboys


DE - Justin Tuck - Giants
DE - Trent Cole - Eagles
DT - Jay Ratliff - Cowboys
DT - Fred Robbins - Giants
OLB - DeMarcus Ware - Cowboys
MLB - London Fletcher - Redskins
OLB - Rocky McIntosh - Redskins
CB - Sheldon Brown - Eagles
CB - Corey Webster - Giants
S - Chris Horton - Redskins
S - Laron Landry - Redskins
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There's no way in hell Horton was better than Mikell.
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There's no way in hell Horton was better than Mikell.
I disagree.

But I'm not getting into a discussion about it with someone that thinks Darren Howard was the 2nd best DE in the NFC East.
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I disagree.
Quintin Mikell

93 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 FF, 3 INT, 9 PD

Chris Horton

76 tackles, 1 sack, 0 FF, 3 INT, 5 PD

I could definitely see how Horton was better.

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He wasn't. I was being a major homer.
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Horton - 10 games started.

Mikell - 16 games started.

Ouch!
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To me Brandon Jacbos over Portis is laughable considering you put Ward or Bradshaw in there, there is little drop off and IMO with Ward even greater gain because he finds holes faster, but put Betts or Cartwright behind that Skins awful O-line and you would be happy to get a positive gain. Also Portis is on the field every down even on third down as a pass blocker and receiver. Brandon Jacobs is always taken out on 3rd downs because he is a hideous receiver. IMO first team has to go to a complete back.

And yeah I love Hort but him over Mikell is crazy, and I am a skins homer.
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Horton - 10 games started.

Mikell - 16 games started.

Ouch!
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I must have missed Horton's name on the All-Pro list. I didn't miss Mikell's though.
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I must have missed Horton's name on the All-Pro list. I didn't miss Mikell's though.
Lol, I also saw Jason Peters name on that All pro list, haha but yeah this season Mikell was a far superior player to Horton.
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I can understand why you would put webster up as the 2nd cb, but I would still take asante over corey webster. moreover, eli as the best qb is a joke. i think I would take all three over east qb's over him. yes mcnabb was streaky, but he is by far the better passer. jason campbell may not be the flashiest qb but he is consistent and efficient. and finally romo consistently puts up good numbers despite (much to my enjoyment) his penchant for choking when it matters. eli has the luxury of having a phenomenal offensive line and a trio of running backs which forces opposing defenses to put an extra man in the box.
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QB - Eli Manning
FB - Madison Hedgecok
RB - Clinton Portis
WR - Terrell Owens
WR - Plaxico Burress
TE - Jason Witten
LT - Tra Thomas
LG - Leonard Davis
C - Shaun O'Hara
RG - Chris Snee
RT - Kareem McKenzie

LE - Justin Tuck
DT - Jay Ratliff
DT - Fred Robbins
RE - Trent Cole
SLB - Bradie James (I know that's not his true position but I think he'd be better there than anyone else in the division)
MLB - London Fletcher
WLB - DeMarcus Ware
CB - Corey Webster
SS - Quintin Mikell
FS - Brian Dawkins (say what you want about Landry being better but this guy was the heart and soul of this team the last few weeks)
CB - Sheldon Brown

KR - Quintin Demps
PR - DeSean Jackson
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Mikell - 16 games started.

Ouch!
Yeah but Chris Horton still played throughout in the majority of the games he didn't start. And I uber doubt Horton is anywhere near as instrumental in stuffing the run as Mikell is. Not to say Horton is bad, but he wasn't on Mikell's level this season.
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Mine...

QB- Eli Manning, Giants
RB- Brandon Jacobs, Giants
RB- Clinton Portis, Redskins
FB- Madison Hedgecock, Giants
WR1- Terrell Owens, Cowboys
WR2- Santana Moss, Redskins
TE1 - Jason Witten, Cowboys
TE2 - Kevin Boss, Giants
LT- Chris Samuels, Redskins
LG- David Diehl - Giants - Didn't play LG, but he used to.
C- Andre Gurode, Cowboys
RG- Leonard Davis, Cowboys
RT- Kareem McKenzie, Giants


4-3 defense

LDE- Justin Tuck, Giants
DT- Brodrick Bunkley, Eagles
DT- Jay Ratliff, Cowboys
RDE- Trent Cole, Eagles
LB- DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys
LB- London Fletcher, Redskins
LB- Bradie James, Cowboys - Because of a lack of quality alternate options.
CB- Asante Samuel, Eagles
FS- LaRon Landry, Redskins
SS- Quintin Mikell, Eagles
CB- Corey Webster, Giants
CB - Terrence Newman, Cowboys

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PR - DeSean Jackson, Eagles
KR - Quintin Demps, Eagles
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^LOL Asante Samuel wasn't even the best corner on his team this season. If you look at yards allowed per attempt and completion % allowed, Sheldon was day and night better.
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^LOL Asante Samuel wasn't even the best corner on his team this season. If you look at yards allowed per attempt and completion % allowed, Sheldon was day and night better.
And if I knew where to find those particular statistics, I probably would have looked at them.
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And if I knew where to find those particular statistics, I probably would have looked at them.
You could have just listened to me. :D I've been driving the Sheldon Brown bandwagon all year.

Twista, you got a link for those stats? I'm interested in seeing them.
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And if I knew where to find those particular statistics, I probably would have looked at them.
I got YPA, TD allowed, completion % allowed, but it's kind of from a rival site. All you need to know is that only 2 other CB in the NFL (Asomonga, Revis) allowed less YPA than Sheldon Brown. Samuel was about 20th.
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QB - Donavan McNabb/Eagles
RB - Brandon Jacobs/Giants
FB - Madison Hedgecock/Giants
WR - Terrell Owens/Cowboys
WR - DeSean Jackson/Eagles
TE - Chris Cooley/Redskins
LT - Chris Samuels/Redskins
LG - Pete Kendall/Redskins
C - Shaun O'Hara/Giants
RG - Chris Snee/Giants
RT - Kareem McKenzie/Giants

DE - Justin Tuck/Giants
DT - Fred Robbins/Giants
DT - Jay Ratliff/Cowboys
DE - Trent Cole/Eagles
OLB - Greg Ellis/Cowboys
MLB - London Fletcher/Redskins
OLB - DeMarcus Ware/Cowboys
CB - Asante Samuel/Eagles
CB - Sheldon Brown/Eagles
FS - Brian Dawkins/Eagles
SS - Chris Horton/Redskins

K - John Carney/Giants
P - Jeff Feagles/Giants
KR - Quintin Demps/Eagles
PR - DeSean Jackson/Eagles

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QB - Donavan McNabb/Eagles
RB - Brandon Jacobs/Giants
FB - Madison Hedgecock/Giants
WR - Terrell Owens/Cowboys
WR - DeSean Jackson/Eagles
TE - Chris Cooley/Redskins
LT - Chris Samuels/Redskins
LG - Pete Kendall/Redskins
C - Shaun O'Hara/Giants
RG - Chris Snee/Giants
RT - Kareem McKenzie/Giants

DE - Justin Tuck/Giants
DT - Fred Robbins/Giants
DT - Jay Ratliff/Cowboys
DE - Trent Cole/Eagles
OLB - Greg Ellis/Cowboys
MLB - London Fletcher/Redskins
OLB - DeMarcus Ware/Cowboys
CB - Asante Samuel/Eagles
CB - Sheldon Brown/Eagles
FS - Brian Dawkins/Eagles
SS - Chris Horton/Redskins

K - John Carney/Giants
P - Jeff Feagles/Giants
KR - Quintin Demps/Eagles
PR - DeSean Jackson/Eagles
I would put Tra Thomas over Chris Samuels, Rich Seubert over Pete Kendall, Ellis wouldn't be pretty an an OLB in a 4-3, Chris Horton is a shell of Quintin Mikell, and Akers had a better year than Carney.
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QB - Tony Romo, DAL
RB - Clinton Portis, WAS
RB - Brandon Jacobs, NYG
FB - Madison Hedgecock, NYG
WR - Terrell Owens, DAL
WR - Santana Moss, WAS
TE - Jason Witten, DAL
LT - Tra Thomas, PHI
LG - Leonard Davis, DAL
C - Shaun O'Hara, NYG
RG - Chris Snee, NYG
RT - Kareem McKenzie, NYG

DE - Justin Tuck, NYG
DT - Brodrick Bunkley, PHI
DT - Fred Robbins, NYG
DE - Trent Cole, PHI
LB - Demarcus Ware, DAL
LB - Bradie James, DAL
LB - London Fletcher, WAS
CB - Corey Webster, NYG
S - LaRon Landry, WAS
S - Quintin Mikell, PHI
CB - Sheldon Brown, PHI

K - John Carney, NYG
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QB - Donavan McNabb/Eagles
RB - Brandon Jacobs/Giants
FB - Madison Hedgecock/Giants
WR - Terrell Owens/Cowboys
WR - DeSean Jackson/Eagles
TE - Chris Cooley/Redskins
LT - Chris Samuels/Redskins
LG - Pete Kendall/Redskins
C - Shaun O'Hara/Giants
RG - Chris Snee/Giants
RT - Kareem McKenzie/Giants

DE - Justin Tuck/Giants
DT - Fred Robbins/Giants
DT - Jay Ratliff/Cowboys
DE - Trent Cole/Eagles
OLB - Greg Ellis/Cowboys
MLB - London Fletcher/Redskins
OLB - DeMarcus Ware/Cowboys
CB - Asante Samuel/Eagles
CB - Sheldon Brown/Eagles
FS - Brian Dawkins/Eagles
SS - Chris Horton/Redskins

K - John Carney/Giants
P - Jeff Feagles/Giants
KR - Quintin Demps/Eagles
PR - DeSean Jackson/Eagles
Webster is a better and more productive corner than Asante Samuel...at least he was this year...
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QB - Tony Romo, DAL
RB - Clinton Portis, WAS
RB - Brandon Jacobs, NYG
FB - Madison Hedgecock, NYG
WR - Terrell Owens, DAL
WR - Santana Moss, WAS
TE - Jason Witten, DAL
LT - Tra Thomas, PHI
LG - Leonard Davis, DAL
C - Shaun O'Hara, NYG
RG - Chris Snee, NYG
RT - Kareem McKenzie, NYG

DE - Justin Tuck, NYG
DT - Brodrick Bunkley, PHI
DT - Fred Robbins, NYG
DE - Trent Cole, PHI
LB - Demarcus Ware, DAL
LB - Bradie James, DAL
LB - London Fletcher, WAS
CB - Corey Webster, NYG
S - LaRon Landry, WAS
S - Quintin Mikell, PHI
CB - Sheldon Brown, PHI

K - John Carney, NYG
P - Jeff Feagles, NYG
It's perfect except for Romo as QB.
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RB- Brandon Jacobs- Giants
RB- Clinton Portis- Redskins
FB- Madison Hedgecock- Giants
WR- Terrell Owens- Cowboys
WR- Desean Jackson- Eagles
TE- Jason Witten- Cowboys
LT- Tra Thomas- Eagles
LG- Leonard Davis- Cowboys
C- Shaun O'Hara- Giants
RG- Chris Snee- Giants
RT- Kareem McKenzie- Giants

DE- Justin Tuck- Giants
DT- Fred Robbins- Giants
DT- Jay Ratliff- Cowboys
DE- Trent Cole- Eagles
OLB- Demarcus Ware- Cowboys
ILB- London Fletcher- Redskins
OLB- Bradie James- Cowboys
CB- Corey Webster- Giants
FS- LaRon Landry- Redskins
SS- Quintin Mikell- Eagles
CB- Asante Samuel- Eagles

K- John Carney- Giants
P- Jeff Feagles- Giants
RET- Desean Jackson- Eagles
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QB- Eli Manning- Giants
RB- Brandon Jacobs- Giants
RB- Clinton Portis- Redskins
FB- Madison Hedgecock- Giants
WR- Terrell Owens- Cowboys
WR- Desean Jackson- Eagles
TE- Jason Witten- Cowboys
LT- Tra Thomas- Eagles
LG- Leonard Davis- Cowboys
C- Shaun O'Hara- Giants
RG- Chris Snee- Giants
RT- Kareem McKenzie- Giants

DE- Justin Tuck- Giants
DT- Fred Robbins- Giants
DT- Jay Ratliff- Cowboys
DE- Trent Cole- Eagles
OLB- Demarcus Ware- Cowboys
ILB- London Fletcher- Redskins
OLB- Bradie James- Cowboys
CB- Corey Webster- Giants
FS- LaRon Landry- Redskins
SS- Quintin Mikell- Eagles
CB- Asante Samuel- Eagles

K- John Carney- Giants
P- Jeff Feagles- Giants
RET- Desean Jackson- Eagles
Pssst....there are only supposed to be 11 guys on offense ;)

Asante Samuel isn't even the best corner on his team, I'd put Sheldon Brown in his spot. And I'd rather have Akers than Carney.
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And I'd rather have Akers than Carney.
Akers- 33/40, 82.5%
Carney- 35/38, 92.1%
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