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Old 01-05-2009, 11:51 PM    (permalink
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yea i think its the consistency that catches everyones eye. The ravens have been solid on defense since the beginning lol and the question is what defense would you take not what team because the titans have a better offense so they can get the def some rest lol the ravens def likes to win the games for our offense
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mo drew gets about 16 touches a game on offense (on a good day), and will run circles around ray rice. rice has no speed, 2nd burst or agility. he's a strong midget. How can anyone be excited about that.
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yea i think its the consistency that catches everyones eye. The ravens have been solid on defense since the beginning lol and the question is what defense would you take not what team because the titans have a better offense so they can get the def some rest lol the ravens def likes to win the games for our offense
The offenses are actually fairly similar. They both had about the same amount of rushing yards in the regular season and the starting QB's had eerily similar QB ratings.
80.2 and 80.3 respectively. And the Titans defense was solid last year as well so it's not like they just came out of nowhere.
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The offenses are actually fairly similar. They both had about the same amount of rushing yards in the regular season and the starting QB's had eerily similar QB ratings.
80.2 and 80.3 respectively. And the Titans defense was solid last year as well so it's not like they just came out of nowhere.
yea but theres a difference between having a dominating defense consistently and having a solid defense not saying your def wasnt good because ours wasnt all that good last year (we took a year off:) ) but we have been dominate for a long time
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That's technically true, yes. The Titans did have a couple of down years defensively there a few years ago, but otherwise they've always been a very good defense.
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That's technically true, yes. The Titans did have a couple of down years defensively there a few years ago, but otherwise they've always been a very good defense.
agreed. the great samari rolle came from the titans lol:)
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mo drew gets about 16 touches a game on offense (on a good day), and will run circles around ray rice. rice has no speed, 2nd burst or agility. he's a strong midget. How can anyone be excited about that.
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I don't see how their performance in previous season plays into this though. This thread sprung up because I said I thought the Titans had a better D this season when discussing their upcoming match up. I'm not an idiot so of course the ravens have had a better D for a while, but this year I can't not give the Titans the respect they've earned since they just go out and beat you up, nothing fancy, no blitzes, like ever, just line em up and beat your guy and maybe a couple other guys.
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I don't see how their performance in previous season plays into this though. This thread sprung up because I said I thought the Titans had a better D this season when discussing their upcoming match up. I'm not an idiot so of course the ravens have had a better D for a while, but this year I can't not give the Titans the respect they've earned since they just go out and beat you up, nothing fancy, no blitzes, like ever, just line em up and beat your guy and maybe a couple other guys.
well we were just saying that the reason the poll isnt closer is because the ravens have a bigger reputation on the def side of the ball. check back to earlier posts he says he thought it would be closer so we were talking about that
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well we were just saying that the reason the poll isnt closer is because the ravens have a bigger reputation on the def side of the ball. check back to earlier posts he says he thought it would be closer so we were talking about that
That wasn't the point I was trying to make, I was trying to get some of the people who would be voting for the ravens on name recognition (basically) to dig a little deeper than just voting for Ray Ray, Reed, ngata and suggs.

Edit: I was actually the one who first mentioned how the ravens history might be playing a role in the voting when responding to VM's comment about how he expected it to be closer. yeah, i'm so awesome
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That wasn't the point I was trying to make, I was trying to get some of the people who would be voting for the ravens on name recognition (basically) to dig a little deeper than just voting for Ray Ray, Reed, ngata and suggs.
oh aiight my fault. i def made this thread so i could find out what people thought about our debate(which was a good debate lol and i always enjoy a good debate) and i wanted more than just ravens fans to give there opinions because when we started the debate i thought we were on a diff level but with some good points and some other peoples opinions i realize that the titans are a top 3 defense and it isnt as far away as i made it.
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The voting difference is probably attributed to the Ravens playing most recently, and having a great defensive performance while they were at it too. Titans starters haven't played a full game since the Pittsburgh game in Week 16.

If someone doesn't know the intricacies of the Titans and Ravens, they'll likely go off recent memory and pick the Ravens as they've impressed most recently.

But then again, it seems like everybody's sleeping on the Titans, and are picking the Ravens to be the most likely team to win next weekend. So maybe it is more of a conscious decision than I'm thinking,
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Ravens... If the Ravens had a top 10 offense they would be unstoppable... Their defense constantly wins games without hardly any offensive production, at least the titans do something.
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The Ravens...The Titans have a much more competent offense and can move the ball with Chris Johnson and can rely on the veteran at QB, the Ravens defense always carries that team, and typically do the scoring as well...They stop the run better then Tennessee, and while they both create turnovers Ed Reed is playing out of his mind and they probably have two 1st ballot Hall of Famers on that defense.


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Ravens... If the Ravens had a top 10 offense they would be unstoppable... Their defense constantly wins games without hardly any offensive production, at least the titans do something.
Dude, the Ravens scored more points per game than the Titans.
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Dude, the Ravens scored more points per game than the Titans.
Yea, and realize that counts defensive TD's also...The Ravens probably average 6 points on defense per game alone.
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Yea, and realize that counts defensive TD's also...The Ravens probably average 6 points on defense per game alone.
Heh, not quite.

Baltimore had 6 defensive touchdowns and Tennessee had 4. The offenses produced at about the same level. In fact, Baltimore put up more yards per game as well.
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Titans.

My main reason is this: The Ravens defense this year, has had a bad tendency of collapsing in big moments in big games. Theyre not "clutch", if a defense is allowed to be that term.

For that reason, Im taking the Titans defense, who has been stoute all season, for all 4 quarters.

Not 3 1/2 like the Ravens defense too many times this year.
I know what you mean, any time I have seen them with a must stop situation they let a team go down the field. They may have been stout all game and even dominant, but they are a terrible last possession defense this year.
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For me it is simple. Tennessee played one of the weakest schedules in the NFL and dominated weaker teams on defense. Baltimore played one of the toughest schedules in the NFL and dominated better teams on defense.
My vote therefore goes to Baltimore.
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The Ravens...The Titans have a much more competent offense and can move the ball with Chris Johnson and can rely on the veteran at QB, the Ravens defense always carries that team, and typically do the scoring as well...They stop the run better then Tennessee, and while they both create turnovers Ed Reed is playing out of his mind and they probably have two 1st ballot Hall of Famers on that defense.


You could really roll with either, but Baltimore for me.
I'm going to have to disagree with your reasoning here, the Ravens had more passing yards, passing TDs, rushing yards and points (although as you've mentioned the ravens had two more defensive TDs). So if anything I'd have to say the Ravens had a more competent offense, being able to move the ball with McLain, Rice and Willis, with Flacco having a better season than Collins.

Sure Ed reed is beasting, but the ravens have only three more takeaways while also collecting 10 less sacks. As for the run D's the ravens are only .1 yards per carry better on the season so while I'd have to agree the ravens were a little better it's not exactly a major difference.
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For me it is simple. Tennessee played one of the weakest schedules in the NFL and dominated weaker teams on defense. Baltimore played one of the toughest schedules in the NFL and dominated better teams on defense.
My vote therefore goes to Baltimore.
Umm, the ravens and titans opponents had the exact same record, 141-115...
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I'll take the Titans. At least twice the Ravens D has given up a last second drive down the entire field to lose the game. Gotta finish.
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Umm, the ravens and titans opponents had the exact same record, 141-115...
Record yes they're even. Talent? Ravens schedule was much harder. AFC North had to play the hardest schedule this year. Playing the NFC East and the AFC South plus the Ravens had Miami aswell.

Baltimore had 7 games against playoff teams. Pittsburgh twice, NYG, Philly, Indy, Tennessee and Miami.
Tennessee had 5. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Indy twice, and Minnesota.
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Record yes they're even. Talent? Ravens schedule was much harder. AFC North had to play the hardest schedule this year. Playing the NFC East and the AFC South plus the Ravens had Miami aswell.

Baltimore had 7 games against playoff teams. Pittsburgh twice, NYG, Philly, Indy, Tennessee and Miami.
Tennessee had 5. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Indy twice, and Minnesota.
That's true, but IAC made it out to seem like the ravens played only playoff teams and the titans played the lions 16 times. The ravens played some better teams, but it wasn't as though the titans didn't play any good teams either.
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Umm, the ravens and titans opponents had the exact same record, 141-115...
The facts are clear, Tennessee played teams with a .455 winning record and Baltimore played teams with a .521 winning record. Baltimore had a very tough schedule while Tennessee played teams with a very weak schedule. Tennessee stats and record are warped by playing a very easy schedule while Baltimore still completed a very good record and stats while playing a far more difficult schedule.
Baltimore still has to play at Tennessee where Tennessee is always tough and has to hope that their rookie QB can stand up to the pressure on the road but they have proven themselves against a far tougher schedule and will give Tennessee a real go. Let's see how Collins plays against a superior defense something he wasn't called upon to do too often during the regular season.
My money's on Baltimore to prevail.
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Titans schedule wasn't pathetic by any means. But the NFC North is way weaker than the NFC East.

The other two games, Baltimore played Miami and Oakland. Tennessee played KC and NYJ. Another advantage Baltimore.
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All of that stuff about the Titans have a better offense to get their team off of the field more and blah, blah, blah.....

Ravens: 24.1 pts per game, 324 yds, 175.5 passing yds per game, 148.5 rushing yards per game

Titans: 23.4 pts per game, 313.6 yds, 176.2 passing yds per game, 137.4 rushing yards per game

The Ravens offense was better in every stat except for passing yards per game, and they only lost out by .7 yds per game there.

So we've established....
- Titans defense allows fewer points per game
- Titans defense creates more big plays
- Titans defense carries a lesser offense
- Titans defense helped win more games and lock up the #1 playoff seed in the AFC
- Titans defense beat the Ravens defense head-to-head AT Baltimore

Therefore 49-18 prefers the Ravens defense......
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