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Old 01-09-2009, 06:28 PM    (permalink
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what has dick jauron ever done?
He made the playoffs once..........in 8 years.
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Dungy is WAY WAY too high.

Gruden shouldn't be top 25.

List threads suck.
(when will njx save the NFL forum?)
I agree.

Gruden at 16 makes me lol. List threads do suck. Always the same fans of teams whining about how amazing their players are, usually with the same 2-3 people arguing.

njx needs to save the whole message board. njx needs to live on this site.
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Old 01-09-2009, 06:38 PM    (permalink
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Has anyone mentioned how Wade Phillips is number 14. No way he's that high.
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32. Brad Childress
Hahahahaha i was about to say that
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Old 01-09-2009, 06:56 PM    (permalink
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32. Brad Childress

There are so many reasons why he should be the worse...He cant manage the game...The only thing he has done right was going along with speilman to get Jared Allen, and AD.


I believe in the invisible shovel and pick ax if he doesn't count then there are 7? teams with no coach ... ok I guess it's slightly better than Childress.

Oh and Andy Reid is WAY too high on this list. No coach who doesn't believe in the Run game is just as bad as one who believes in the invisible...

I also think Ken Wissenhunt needs to be put up on that list.
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No coach who doesn't believe in the Run game is just as bad as one who believes in the invisible...
I can't agree with that.

Just because his playcalling philosophy isn't run of the mill (oops) doesn't mean he is as bad as Rod.

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I can't agree with that.

Just because his playcalling philosophy isn't run of the mill (oops) doesn't mean he is as bad as Rod.
Yeah I guess I was going a lil overboard but as a guy who's watched every eagles game for the past 6 years I know Reid could have won a bunch more games if he were the #8 coach in the league.
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I only think Dungy is that high because of the Tampa 2 system and Peyton Manning. Without Manning he's an average coach with an average team. I would put Fisher higher than him and not just because of this year. I also think you have to factor in people like Bill Polian and Scott Pioli when talking about this. Is it simply who's the best head coach or who runs his team the best? As best head coach I would say Jeff Fisher
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I only think Dungy is that high because of the Tampa 2 system and Peyton Manning. Without Manning he's an average coach with an average team. I would put Fisher higher than him and not just because of this year. I also think you have to factor in people like Bill Polian and Scott Pioli when talking about this. Is it simply who's the best head coach or who runs his team the best? As best head coach I would say Jeff Fisher
thats like saying though: well Bill walsh would be nothing without the WCO and Montana and Rice
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This is how I'd rank the guys that still have jobs. NFL head coaches are pretty incompetent, I'm noticing.

1. Bill Belichick, NE
2. Jeff Fisher, Ten
3. Tom Coughlin, NYG
4. Tony Dungy, Ind
5. Mike Tomlin, Pit
6. John Harbaugh, Bal
7. Tony Sparano, Mia
8. John Fox, Car
9. Ken Whisenhunt, Ari
10. Andy Reid, Phi
11. Lovie Smith, Chi
12. Sean Payton, NO
13. Jack Del Rio, Jax
14. Gary Kubiak, Hou
15. Eric Mangini, Cle
16. Mike Smith, Atl
17. Jon Gruden, TB
18. Mike Singletary, SF
19. Jim Zorn, Was
20. Jim Mora, Sea
21. Dick Jauron, Buf
22. Mike McCarthy, GB
23. Norv Turner, SD
24. Marvin Lewis, Cin
25. Wade Phillips, Dal
26. Brad Childress, Min
27. Herm Edwards, KC
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Kubiak shouldnt be that low just like Mike Smith and Zorn. Mike McCarthy and Norv Turner are way too low. how can u rank Jim Mora at all?
Lovie Smith Sean Paton and Andy Reid are way too high
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Am i the only one in here that doesn't really like Jeff Fisher?
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Am i the only one in here that doesn't really like Jeff Fisher?
Based on the past, the Titans should suck next year.

His teams are always 2 or 3 great/good years, non-contender year.

If VY could have been what many people thought he would be already, this team could have dynastic aspirations....but he isn't...and might never be.
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Based on the past, the Titans should suck next year.

His teams are always 2 or 3 great/good years, non-contender year.

If VY could have been what many people thought he would be already, this team could have dynastic aspirations....but he isn't...and might never be.
True. That Vince Young pick was such an epic fail.

Also, Wade Phillips should most definitely be in the bottom ten.
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Am i the only one in here that doesn't really like Jeff Fisher?
Probably you are Tex.
They've overcome 1st round disasters twice in the last 4 or 5 years with Pac Man and your fellow Texan athlete Vince Young, and they seem to be doing better than your Cowboys are. They may have a bad year every now and then, but all the while, the Cowboys continue to go on without winning a single playoff game. Your last playoff win, 1996 keeps getting further and further away in the rear view mirror.

Buy some more stars and convicts Jerry,

How bout them Cowboys MetSox17!
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Andy Reid at #4 fails miserably.
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Any rankings that don't have Belichik #1 and then Fisher and Coughlin taking the next 2 slots, in either order, are just wrong IMO.
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One day, Singeltary will be on top of list like that one.
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I'm barely curious as to why Del Rio doesn't make your top 20
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I don't dislike Singeltary, but people really have to lower their sky high expectations.
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thats like saying though: well Bill walsh would be nothing without the WCO and Montana and Rice
That didnt come across the way I meant, what i was trying to say is all factors have to be taken into account. Bill Walsh will go down as one of the best coaches of all time, Montana as one of the best QBs and Rice as the best WR. But you wonder how someone else would do in that position.
My problem with Dungy is he doesn't strike me as a big motivator, Polian does the drafting and Manning pulls the Colts out of so many holes.
The reason why I like Fisher is he hasn't had a Manning or Brady, he's not a big innovator of complex schemes, but he gets his players ready to play and play hard each and every week. Now that the Titans are finally getting some real talent he's taking them farin the playoffs.
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my list:

1. Bill Belichick, NE
2. Jeff Fisher, Ten
3. Tom Coughlin, NYG
4. Tony Dungy, Ind
5. Tony Sparano, Mia (just am really impressed with the shift of the team)
6. John Fox, Car
7. Jack Del Rio, Jax
8. Ken Whisenhunt, Ari
9. Mike Tomlin, Pit
10. Andy Reid, Phi(I actually think he is kinda good)
11. John Harbaugh, Bal (could be higher if he keeps it up next season)
12. Mike Smith, Atl (see Harbaugh)
13. Mike Singletary, SF (lets give the niners some talent and see how he does)
14. Jim Zorn, Was (he cant be the only to blame that the oline starter to take a sabbatical mid-season)
15. Lovie Smith, Chi
16. Mike McCarthy, GB
17. Sean Payton, NO (if he would just give up the offensive playcalling he would be way higher)
18. Gary Kubiak, Hou
19. Eric Mangini, Cle
20. Jon Gruden, TB
21. Wade Phillips, Dal (prolly deserves to be a bit higher but not taking the boys to the playoffs is just sad with that roster)
22. Jim Mora, Sea
23. Dick Jauron, Buf
24. Norv Turner, SD (with that talentand that division you cant make reaching the playoffs a last week fluke. Should have reached a superbowl with that team)
25. Herm Edwards, KC
26. Marvin Lewis, Cin
27. Brad Childress, Min
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John Harbaugh is a top 5 coach next year if he an duplicate the success with Rex Ryan gone.
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I am glad Coughlin is up there. I always liked him even when alot of our fan base hated him. The guy has won in the college ranks, with the Jags and now with us. The guy can coach and proved it, yet just because the media didn't like him they wanted his head. And I know this because I talked to the beat writers emailing them asking them why the hate. That guy has endured alot as a HC, and even changed in the NY to be successful. Coughlin's biggest mistake was hiring Tim Lewis and John Hufnagel as his coordinators!
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