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Old 01-15-2009, 09:16 AM    (permalink
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Why all the FSU love? Last I checked...they still don't have a QB. Still. Antone Smith and Greg Carr are gone. Both suck, but how do we know the backups aren't worse. They have athletes on defense, but lose way more key players than UM or VT.

The ACC winner will be the Coastal winner...either UM, VT or GT. If we get a good OC hire, I can easily see us going 7-1 and winning the division. I can also see us losing bad to GT and dropping a couple on the road, though. We have more weapons than any other team in the conference and our OL & QB play will improve. The defense will be more athletic and I expect lots of penetration, but the secondary is a concern.

I still think we match up well with VT and a better gameplan will shut down GT. UNC beat us entirely on their passing game last year, and that whole unit is gone. They could end up last in the division. Duke will compete, but they'll need a soft non-conf schedule to get bowl-eligible.
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CJ Spiller > Clemson as a whole
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NCAA looks like it will be coming down on FSU a little bit harder than their self sanctions.

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Good article. I'll be happy if those 7 wins keep Bobby in Tallahassee for 1 more year delaying the inevitable.
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Why all the FSU love? Last I checked...they still don't have a QB. Still. Antone Smith and Greg Carr are gone. Both suck, but how do we know the backups aren't worse. They have athletes on defense, but lose way more key players than UM or VT.

The ACC winner will be the Coastal winner...either UM, VT or GT. If we get a good OC hire, I can easily see us going 7-1 and winning the division. I can also see us losing bad to GT and dropping a couple on the road, though. We have more weapons than any other team in the conference and our OL & QB play will improve. The defense will be more athletic and I expect lots of penetration, but the secondary is a concern.

I still think we match up well with VT and a better gameplan will shut down GT. UNC beat us entirely on their passing game last year, and that whole unit is gone. They could end up last in the division. Duke will compete, but they'll need a soft non-conf schedule to get bowl-eligible.
The reason why i'm kinda picking FSU is because although their offense was erratic at times last season (Wake Forest game), there were times the offense showed potential (Miami game) that Jimbo MAY be getting that team turned around. Plus one thing that's for certain, they are talented and even though that don't translate into wins, they weren't TOO far from having a great season this past season.
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The game against us was an anomaly. We couldn't stop Christian Ponder from scrambling, and had a bad playcall on 3rd and goal from the 30 that led to a score. Plus Marve gave them the ball with good field position.

Next year we will shut them down.
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The game against us was an anomaly. We couldn't stop Christian Ponder from scrambling, and had a bad playcall on 3rd and goal from the 30 that led to a score. Plus Marve gave them the ball with good field position.

Next year we will shut them down.
That's what you said would happen this year. Oops.
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That's what you said would happen this year. Oops.
When?

All I remember us saying is that we have a good Run D and you have a good Run D, so neither team will run the ball well. We held Smith to like 3 YPC (maybe less excluding that BS run on 3rd and 30), we just couldn't stop Ponder for some reason (not naming names, it's too easy).
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When?

All I remember us saying is that we have a good Run D and you have a good Run D, so neither team will run the ball well. We held Smith to like 3 YPC (maybe less excluding that BS run on 3rd and 30), we just couldn't stop Ponder for some reason (not naming names, it's too easy).
It must have been Joey then.
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It must have been Joey then.
I said the same thing etk said.

Our run D would shut down your running game.

No Miami fan in their right mind would say our DBs were gonna stop any passing game.

And we did stop your running game from the RB spot.

Having Ponder run like he did on us last year is the exception, not the rule. Chances are it will be years before a QB has that type of running game against us again.
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Antone Smith still had 92 yards and four touchdowns. Jermaine Thomas had 51 yards on two carries. Not quite shutting down our running backs.
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So if a RB gets 300 yards on 200 carries....he's good?

No one who watched that game could say Smith was running well and FSU was having success on the ground. The only difference between FSU and Miami is that you guys kept running even though it was failing and we completely abandoned the run game (woo Patty Nix!). Plus the fact that we put ourselves in a big hole early on.
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A good year for VT, FSU and Miami off the field as well, VT and FSu at 31 in the Fulmer Cup, and I dont see Miami.


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A good year for VT, FSU and Miami off the field as well, VT and FSu at 31 in the Fulmer Cup, and I dont see Miami.


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Since when is being 31st out of 119 a good thing when your talking about arrests and off the field incidents?

Your standards must be pretty low.

And the fact that I'm saying this with our teams history should mean something.

And we shouldn't be on the list.

ZERO off the field incidents this year.

Heck Randy had to find grades and sleeping in as reasons to suspend people this year.
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Antone Smith still had 92 yards and four touchdowns.
3.4 YPC

Quantity =/= Quality
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Since when is being 31st out of 119 a good thing when your talking about arrests and off the field incidents?

Your standards must be pretty low.

And the fact that I'm saying this with our teams history should mean something.

And we shouldn't be on the list.

ZERO off the field incidents this year.

Heck Randy had to find grades and sleeping in as reasons to suspend people this year.
Uhmm, maybe you missed the last few years, 1 infraction is pretty good
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Uhmm, maybe you missed the last few years, 1 infraction is pretty good
Exactly. Your standards are low like joey said.
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Not to start a fight but historically speaking I don't think Miami fans have any right to preach to anybody about behavior
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Not to start a fight but historically speaking I don't think Miami fans have any right to preach to anybody about behavior
I was waiting for someone to say this.

We haven't had any problems since Larry Coker took over.

Ryan Moore, Willie Williams (although he didn't get arrested as a Cane) were the 2 worst.

I'm memory serves me correctly, Robert Marve has been the only Cane arrested over the last 5 years.

I just think it's funny how people like to say our winning ways are in the past and that we are living off history.

Well people need to check their facts when it comes to the Thug comments as well. Because we have been one of the cleanest programs in college football since Larry Coker took over. 5 arrests total in that period I believe it was.

Funny how when it comes to us winning people say it's in the past but when it comes to off the field issues, they bring up the 80's and 90's with Zero problems.

Can't go both ways.

If people are gonan knock us for being down lately, at least give us credit where credit is due, we have run a clean program for close to 10 years now.

Don't confuse 1 player being the vicitim of a murder with us being Thugs.
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Willie Williams doesn't help Miami's rep. Nor does the off the field stuff with Ray Lewis and some of the other Cane players in the pros.

That being said, they have came a long way since the days of Butch Davis where it was Thug U.
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I was waiting for someone to say this.

We haven't had any problems since Larry Coker took over.

Ryan Moore, Willie Williams (although he didn't get arrested as a Cane) were the 2 worst.

I'm memory serves me correctly, Robert Marve has been the only Cane arrested over the last 5 years.

I just think it's funny how people like to say our winning ways are in the past and that we are living off history.

Well people need to check their facts when it comes to the Thug comments as well. Because we have been one of the cleanest programs in college football since Larry Coker took over. 5 arrests total in that period I believe it was.

Funny how when it comes to us winning people say it's in the past but when it comes to off the field issues, they bring up the 80's and 90's with Zero problems.

Can't go both ways.

If people are gonan knock us for being down lately, at least give us credit where credit is due, we have run a clean program for close to 10 years now.

Don't confuse 1 player being the vicitim of a murder with us being Thugs.
Bruh be ready to defend the fight against Florida International back in 2006. But to UM's defense, it wasn't as if you were suppose to stand there while FIU started attacking UM. I think that whole brawl was overblown anyways

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wow, cant beleive I forgot about that. That was hilarious, Reddick hittin people with helmets and ish'
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wow, cant beleive I forgot about that. That was hilarious, Reddick hittin people with helmets and ish'
Knockin' bitches out.
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Willie Williams doesn't help Miami's rep. Nor does the off the field stuff with Ray Lewis and some of the other Cane players in the pros.

That being said, they have came a long way since the days of Butch Davis where it was Thug U.
Ray Lewis ish was in the 90's. So it falls into the same category of bringing up the past that I was talking about. Besides, how you can hold Miami accountable of the actions of the player after they leave? Is Miami now supposed to babysit grow men as well as run a school?

And Willie Williams was never arrested while he was at Miami. He was arrested in HS while in Gainesville hanging out with Gator recruits. Got kicked out of Miami and has been arrested since then but he was infraction clean while at Miami.

As for the FIU fight. You all know there isn't a school in college football that wouldn't react the exact same way that we did if FIU had thrown your kicker to the floor and threw punches.

Seriously, here are the big things that get brought up about Miami since the Butch Davis era:

1.) FIU Brawl- All schools would have done the same in that spot.
2.) Willie Williams- Never had an arrest at Miami and was barely here for a year.
3.) Murders of Sean Taylor and Brian Pata- shortsighted people try to bring up our players getting murdered and blame it on them not realizing they were the victims.
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