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Old 02-05-2009, 12:09 AM    (permalink
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Jenkins>Collins. I guess the only reason you my have to Kampman being over Woodson is because without him our secondary would strangle even more.
I originally had Jenkins ahead of Collins and then switched them. It's a close call between those two. I think had Jenkins played this whole season it would have been him no question, but since Collins had a great year and Jenkins hasn't fully broken out yet Collins gets the nod.

Kampman is still the best player on our defense. Woodson comes in at a close second, but Kampman is #1.
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I think Kampman will be fine at OLB. Although adding him to a LB corps that couldn't cover well to begin with won't help.
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Well for starter's I think Barnett could basically fit into any LB system, he's aggressive and instinctive. The 3-4 gives the ILBs a whole lot of freedom by virtue of 3 space eaters in front of them instead of the usual 2, and Barnett's playing style is very much search and destroy.

AJ Hawk is flat out not playing up to his potential, even though he's an effective LB. As a 3-4 ILB he'll have less responsibility and can focus on cracking people for a while. ultimately it's a gut feeling based on how I've seen them play, and there's always an adjustment period, but personally I think if the Packers blow this transition, it won't be due to Barnett and Hawk.
I know it differs somewhat according to the various 3-4 schemes, but I thought that 3-4 ILBs had to take on more blockers, not fewer. Hence why someone like Maulauga is viewed as an ideal 3-4 ILB...

I rather suspect that Barnett is going to suffer from Vilma-syndrome. Hawk might be better off, but I'm not sure.
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I rather suspect that Barnett is going to suffer from Vilma-syndrome. Hawk might be better off, but I'm not sure.
That's what I believe will happen too. On of Hawk's strengths in college was his ability to blitz, and the Packer's never sent him on blitzs. That will change with Capers. I expect Hawk to thrive in this defense, and Barnett to regress.
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More importantly Justin Harrell will likely move to DE!


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That's what I believe will happen too. On of Hawk's strengths in college was his ability to blitz, and the Packer's never sent him on blitzs. That will change with Capers. I expect Hawk to thrive in this defense, and Barnett to regress.
Barnett regressed last year.. so..I don't know. Perhaps he will regress further and lose his starting job. Hard to say!
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Barnett regressed last year.. so..I don't know. Perhaps he will regress further and lose his starting job. Hard to say!
He was hurt most of the year, he won't lose his starting job.
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That's what I believe will happen too. On of Hawk's strengths in college was his ability to blitz, and the Packer's never sent him on blitzs. That will change with Capers. I expect Hawk to thrive in this defense, and Barnett to regress.
You never know. If they can get a dominating presence to fill the NT spot, I could see both thriving. Donnie Edwards had a couple of really great years when the Chargers first switched to the 3-4, and those two are very similar.
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Someone project me the starting lineup for a 3-4 alignment in GB if it happened today.
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I don't think anyone can argue that's how'd it'd be using just the players currently on the team.

If Justin Harrell can stay healthy I think he'll get a good shot to win the other DE spot, but that's too much of a question mark so it goes to Jolly for now.
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... vagina? Oh right, I get it: he has nagging injuries, nagging like a woman. Women have vaginas.

I guess they should try not to leave him HIGH AND DRY (get it, because... women do chrystal meth and also laundry).
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I don't know why so many people are down on Kampman.

Granted I've never seen him in coverage, but I looked it up... and compared to some guys that have been playing 3-4 OLB In the league successfully his agility and speed #'s are better than theirs..

When he came out at 6'4 289lbs.

Clark Haggans comes to mind.

Kampmans, 10, 20, 40 yard.. 3-cone, and shuttle are way superior and he was holding an extra 34lbs.

Now he's 255-260 going into next season I'm thinking those #'s improve even more.

Not saying it's a guarantee, but I want to see him do it before I say it's impossible.

It's not even impossible for Peppers to do it either.
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This is sweet. A two page thread in the NFL about the Packers without the mentioning of a certain player. We need to draft atleast another piece to the 3-4 front that can start right away, and going with it the first two rounds wouldnt be the worst thing.
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I don't know why so many people are down on Kampman.

Granted I've never seen him in coverage, but I looked it up... and compared to some guys that have been playing 3-4 OLB In the league successfully his agility and speed #'s are better than theirs..

When he came out at 6'4 289lbs.

Clark Haggans comes to mind.

Kampmans, 10, 20, 40 yard.. 3-cone, and shuttle are way superior and he was holding an extra 34lbs.

Now he's 255-260 going into next season I'm thinking those #'s improve even more.

Not saying it's a guarantee, but I want to see him do it before I say it's impossible.

It's not even impossible for Peppers to do it either.
I think Kampman will transition better than Peppers would if he ends up in a 3-4.
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he did play lb his first two years at iowa so it's not foreign to him
btw, heard on espn that ray ray most likely won't resign with the ravens.. anybody think he's a good fit especially if the packers decide to go with bj raji instead of one of the olb/de's?
He'd bring experience, leadership and fire to the defense
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he did play lb his first two years at iowa so it's not foreign to him
btw, heard on espn that ray ray most likely won't resign with the ravens.. anybody think he's a good fit especially if the packers decide to go with bj raji instead of one of the olb/de's?
He'd bring experience, leadership and fire to the defense
I think the Jets are the most likely team to sign Ray, then the Cowboys, then the Ravens.
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That's a big question mark and the secondary as well. Going from a press man to man play on the outside to zone. So while Woodson has played zone before, it's going to be interesting if Al harris can do that.

Reminds me of when Tim Lewis was our DC. We played alot of zone, and it killed Corey Webster, until we changed the system and Webster is playing at a pro bowl level for us.
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This is sweet. A two page thread in the NFL about the Packers without the mentioning of a certain player. We need to draft atleast another piece to the 3-4 front that can start right away, and going with it the first two rounds wouldnt be the worst thing.
How would Favre fit in a 3-4? I think he'd excel.
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They don't allow Favre to play Defense because it would be way too unfair, that is why hes stuck at QB.
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I think Favre would do great on defense. He is already really good at throwing it to the defense.
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That's a big question mark and the secondary as well. Going from a press man to man play on the outside to zone. So while Woodson has played zone before, it's going to be interesting if Al harris can do that.

Reminds me of when Tim Lewis was our DC. We played alot of zone, and it killed Corey Webster, until we changed the system and Webster is playing at a pro bowl level for us.
Al Harris will have no problem playing zone. Zone is much easier to play than man. I also highly doubt the zone won't begin in press coverage. If I were to guess, it would end up being a man within zone type of scheme. Where if someone crosses through your zone, you take them man. If no one is in your zone you peel off and look for work.

I posted this in the Packer team forum:
Just because it is a zone defense doesn't mean the corners have to play off. It is possible, and I am thinking quite likely, that the Packers corners will play in the receivers face even while in zone. To do otherwise would be absolutely stupid. The Packers have the best bump and run corners in the league, they will continue to take advantage of that.

When I was at Portland State, we used a defense that was similar to the Steelers defense. Our corners were in zone, but they played it up on the line. I have a feeling that is going to be the type of defense the Packers run, considering Capers was with the Steelers when they first started running the defense(more or less) they have, back in '92. I don't think you need to worry about Harris. He will probably be able to continue playing on the line, but his diminishing speed will be hidden by the zone they will be playing. I will bet anything the secondary gets better. Woodson and Collins are both ballhawks, and they will thrive in a zone defense(even more so than they did this year.) Bigby will probably be playing closer to the line and will be able to take advantage of his hitting ability.
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