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Old 02-09-2009, 12:29 PM    (permalink
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I wouldn't mind having Leftwich in New York to compete for the job. Our running game will be good, we just need a solid passing attack. It doesn't need to be great. Our defense will be improved, as Revis, Lowery (possibly Gholston?) will have another year under their belts, our new pieces from last year will have had a chance to gel, and I think we'll draft another defensive piece in the first two rounds.
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No the Vikings are better off taking Josh Freeman with their 1rst round pick and developing him while Gus Ferotte gets killed for a few games. You guys need a long term answer, not a washed up bust. You guys have a unbelievable group of young talented building blocks, don't throw that away relying on Leftwich.
They are better off taking a developmental QB with a team that is ready to win now?
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Ummm, he's a backup for life now. He will never ever be looked at to lead a franchise ever again. Sorry to the Leftwich and Marshall fans out there, but he had his chance with a pretty decent team and he threw it away by never getting in shape, by never putting in the time and effort it takes to be a great QB. He's a backup lifer.

I wholeheartedly diasagree. He is a capable starter when put in the right situation. Some players just need a change of scenery. I think Minny would be an excellent spot for him.
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Leftwich said he was healthier this season then he has been his entire career. Wasn't part of the reason Jacksonville released him because of injury concerns? I think if Leftwich jumps into a good situation he is ready to be an above average starter in the league. Minny would be an ideal situation as already stated multiple times. Even if he doesn't turn out to be great, he's still going to be better than Tavaris or Frerotte. Minnesota needs to get a QB NOW. They are a Super Bowl contender with a capable signal caller.
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Leftwich to Berrian can be deadly.
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Leftwich makes absolutely no sense for the Vikings or any team that runs the WCO for that matter. The WCO needs a QB who has some mobility, and a quick release with accuracy. The only thing Leftwich has from that is the accuracy. The Vikings would be better of going with Garcia for a year.

As for a possible suitor, he said earlier that he would love to come to Chicago and he'd be a great fit for us on a 2 year deal to compete for the starting job.
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JP Losman will end up in Minnesota and be EPIC. :D
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If Losman ever ends up as a decent quarterback I'll be surprised. Seems like he'd be a good backup in New Orleans.
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Leftwich makes absolutely no sense for the Vikings or any team that runs the WCO for that matter. The WCO needs a QB who has some mobility, and a quick release with accuracy. The only thing Leftwich has from that is the accuracy. The Vikings would be better of going with Garcia for a year.

As for a possible suitor, he said earlier that he would love to come to Chicago and he'd be a great fit for us on a 2 year deal to compete for the starting job.
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Leftwich makes absolutely no sense for the Vikings or any team that runs the WCO for that matter. The WCO needs a QB who has some mobility, and a quick release with accuracy. The only thing Leftwich has from that is the accuracy. The Vikings would be better of going with Garcia for a year.

As for a possible suitor, he said earlier that he would love to come to Chicago and he'd be a great fit for us on a 2 year deal to compete for the starting job.
Then why did gus frerotte somewhat work in Minny? The guy is a statue
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Then why did gus frerotte somewhat work in Minny? The guy is a statue
I'm not saying Leftwich wouldn't be better then Frerotte, but he wouldn't fit what their offense wants. The Vikings adjusted their schemes to fit Frerotte, but in all reality, they want a WCO with a typical WCO QB. I think they still have hope in Jackson but really want Cassel. If they can't get Cassel, I think they'll sign Garcia to a one year deal and let him compete with Jackson (a battle Garcia would most likely win.)
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The Jaguars ran a WCO in 2003-2004 and Leftwich was not a fan of it. Leftwich's best year was under Carl Smith, who didn't run a WCO but didn't have a deep passing game either. Leftwich would be served to have a good running game, a good OL, and good receivers. You know, like any other QB. It just depends what he can produce on his end. His accuracy and overall lack of production are his main skill issues, and his injury problems may be the biggest of all his issues. His career in Jacksonville was mediocre-to-good. To be a full-time veteran starter, he would need to improve.
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The Jaguars ran a WCO in 2003-2004 and Leftwich was not a fan of it. Leftwich's best year was under Carl Smith, who didn't run a WCO but didn't have a deep passing game either. Leftwich would be served to have a good running game, a good OL, and good receivers. You know, like any other QB. It just depends what he can produce on his end. His accuracy and overall lack of production are his main skill issues, and his injury problems may be the biggest of all his issues. His career in Jacksonville was mediocre-to-good. To be a full-time veteran starter, he would need to improve.
Exactly. Which is one of the reasons I think he would succeed in NY. Rex Ryan has vowed to bring a more run-oriented offense to the jets, thank god, which with this offensive line and running game would benefit Leftwich...or any QB for that matter.

His dislike/uncomfortableness with the WCO that Jacksonville ran manifested itself into fairly mediocre numbers.

I think the biggest knock, other than the health issues, was his delivery. It was so long and completely ill-suited for a WCO scheme. To me, it looked as though he shortened it up a bit this year and looked quite good from the spot-duty he got this year when Big Ben was injured. With the jets' offensive line and backfield of TJ and Leon, I think he could thrive. I don't think Rex is going to ask too much of whatever QB he gets, other than don't mess it up for his defense.
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Leftwich will hopefully end up in Carolina. The Panthers o-line and running game is top three easy in the league. Leftwich would definitely get the ball to Steve Smith in stride better than Delhomme. Probably won't happen but it should IMO.
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lol at Carolina o-line being top 3...
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lol at Carolina o-line being top 3...
Not to be a homer, but explain why that argument couldn't be made? The line was a large part of why we finished in the top three rushing offenses. I don't think that was an outrageous statement.
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Leftwich would work in Minny or for the Jets. Carolina would work too, but I feel like they give Matt Moore a chance before they bring in another QB.
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A little off topic but with all the discussions of FA QBs and trade values for Matt Cassel, I think it's funny how no one talks about Derek Anderson anymore.

I like Leftwich in Minny. He could fight for a spot in Tennessee as well I think.
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Then why did gus frerotte somewhat work in Minny? The guy is a statue
Because he is a veteran QB who can sit back and make his reads without stopping at the first 2 reads, and having to either take off, or run around to buy time. At that point, you can attritute some of his success due to being a veteran and making his reads and proper decisions based on them.
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Because he is a veteran QB who can sit back and make his reads without stopping at the first 2 reads, and having to either take off, or run around to buy time. At that point, you can attritute some of his success due to being a veteran and making his reads and proper decisions based on them.
I'm still not buying Frerotte over Leftwich. Not a chance in hell I'd take that. But smokey made a good point.
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The Windmill looked really good in limited action for Pittsburgh this season. Definitly is an upgrade over Ferotte.
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I'm still not buying Frerotte over Leftwich. Not a chance in hell I'd take that. But smokey made a good point.
Well neither am I. I am just answering to the point of Ferotte doing ok for a time.
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His wind up and lack of any sort of touch on his passes just make me not a big fan at all.

He does deserve a second chance though. I thought he did well in mop up duty for Ben this year. He was impressive against the Skins.
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Not to be a homer, but explain why that argument couldn't be made? The line was a large part of why we finished in the top three rushing offenses. I don't think that was an outrageous statement.
now i agree, they are not easily top 3 but an argument can be made. They are easily top 5.
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He would be a lot better off than ole' Tarvaris "what team is Berrian on?" Jackson
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Really don't like him in Minnesota. Far too many questions on our OLine for him to be effective.

We really only have 2 guys who are even average level pass blockers and one of them is a free agent. McKinnie has proven time and again that he can maul in run blocking but anytime he faces a guy with even above average speed he is done. RT is a complete crapshoot but hopefully it will be McKinnie next year and we take a legit LT in the first, but I've been hoping that for 4 years now and had no luck so can't see that suddenly happening.

Minny are in a tough spot really when it comes to QB, we need someone who can either make time with their feet or a super quick release because there is going to be pressure on probably 9 out 10 pass plays coming off the edge, which I guess is slightly better than having it in your face, but it's still not a good thing in any way.

I still certainly think that OL and S are the big needs for Minny. We have needed those two positions since Childress took over and he has shown no interest in addressing them, I can't see that changing, he seems convinced that Sharper is still good enough to start in this league and even scarier that Cook should even be in the league.
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