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Old 02-14-2009, 10:33 PM    (permalink
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Default It takes more than running the ball and playing D to win in today's NFL

Many fans and media seem stuck with this old mindset that to win in the NFL a team needs to be able to run the ball and play defense, and act as if passing the ball is secondary. People with this mindset point to 'blue collar', rough, tough teams that win in December and January with tough defense and a running game that can grind it out. In today's NFL, that's no longer enough. Being able to pass the ball is more important than ever. The rules of the game have been tweaked to help the passing game. I was having a debate with a Rams fan who told me that new coach Steve Spagnolo was going with a philosophy of tough defense and Steven Jackson running the ball. That sounds good, but if the Rams want to win a Super Bowl, they will also need to balance their offense with an effective passing game. To back up my point, I want to point out the epitamy of 'blue collar', tough defense, grind it out teams: The Steelers. Look at the way their team is built. Yes, they can play defense and run the ball, but they also have a 1st round QB with a $100 million contract, they drafted Santonio Holmes in the first round, Limas Sweed in the second round, Hines Ward was signed to a large extension not long ago, Heath Miller was a first round pick and they throw a good bit to their RB's. I just wanted to point this out for people who think QB's are just there to 'manage a game' or 'not lose games' and that passing is secondary. That's a myth.
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The Steelers were ranked 23rd in run offense this past season. The Cardinals were dead last. I'm not trying to say that running isn't important. Just that passing that ball is just as important. Some teams succeed with run first offenses, but there are also teams that succeed with pass first offenses.
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wow, what an insight into football! Never actually realized that.
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Old 02-14-2009, 11:13 PM    (permalink
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i dont think anyone who is a real football fan really thinks that after TGoT and the Patriots.
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So your saying that you need a good QB who is a good passer to win games in the NFL? This is ground breaking stuff.
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And good 1st round WR, TE, and receiving Rbs.
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Your title actually should be "It Take more than Running the ball to win in Today NFL."

If you don't play defense good luck winning. Examples Denver Broncos, threw the ball quite a bit, and then they decided not to play defense end result almost made it to the playoffs.
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Forget all this pass vs run vs defense ********.

A team needs to be balanced. You don't always need to be the best run defense or pass defense, just GOOD ENOUGH and the same goes for the offense.

With the exception of the Steelers, there's hasn't been a real defensive powerhouse win for about 6 seasons
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Defense no doubt does in championships. It wasn't by fluke that the top 3 defenses in the NFL, all played in their respective championship games. And just because you look at where these guys were drafted doesn't mean Pittsburgh is a gun-slinging team. Holmes was a first rounder but was a huge underachiever this whole year. And really only did something in the SB, not saying it wasn't important but without Holmes they still would have made it there. Sweed was a non-factor.And if you say the Steelers couldn't run very well, they were more of a passing team that is also wrong. Big Ben was 14th in the league in yards, and 15th in TDs.

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If they can't score you can't lose defense is the most important thing in football. Running and passing are both secondary. Running the ball effectively will beat passing the ball effectively because you control the clock. Passing isn't unimportant specially if you need that 2 minute drill.
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I think running the ball and playing good D needs to usually be coupled with good QB play to make it all the way. Sometimes a very average QB can win a ring with a great run game and D, but chances are sometime in the playoffs or the Superbowl, you just need your QB to go out there and take the W. I think the Steelers showed that this season.

So alone they're not usually enough, but running the ball and good D are still going to likely get you further.
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I don't know if "run the ball and play good defence" was ever the only way to win. I don't think those Montana/Young 49er teams were running teams.

Whether you pass to set up the run or run to set up the pass, you have to be able to take advantage of a team when they overload one way or the other. The 2000 ravens didn't make a lot of plays passing but they did make big plays.

Personally I think "pass the ball and rush the passer" is at least as good a philosophy, and steeler fans probably agree with me this year.
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uh you obviously need something to compliment your strength.

you can't be 1st in pass and dead last on run because they can just play pass ... and you can't be 1st running and last on passing because they will put 8 in the box.
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balance, balance , balance !

see the saints... number 1 offense in a few categories , but no running game at all.... 9-7 and dead last in their division. They had no defense either.... i stay with the old school rule, until i see pass-only poor-defense team like the saints win that thing.
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Last 2 superbowl winners- New York Giants and Pitsburgh Steelers(defensive and running teams)
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This past season the Steelers totaled 506passing attempts, 3,607 yards passing, 19 passing TD's, 460 rushing attempts 1,690 yards rushing, 16 rushing TD's. During the entire season, including the playoffs, the Steelers only had a 100 yard rusher 4 times.

The Giants also had more passing attempts, yards and TD's than rushing in 2007.

Yeah, you really ended the discussion. :D

But despite the irrefutable facts I posted, you'll probably just be stubborn and cling to the stereotype that passing is secondary in the NFL. And there will still be other posters acting as if nobody sticks to this stereotype despite posts like the one I quoted. No biggie, people don't like it when you notice things they weren't perceptive enough to.
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Rose = Red
Red = Color

Rose = Color?
I was being facetious.
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