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Old 02-15-2009, 07:47 PM    (permalink
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That article makes this sound like racial profiling and questionable police tactics at their finest.
exactly what i was thinking
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I'm not sure why people are under the impression that Marshawn is a bad kid. Yeah, he is a little goofy and rambunctious at times but he is no thug.. Beastmode is nothing like a Pacman Jones or TO type of player, he has great character.. I'm not going to get down on the guy just because he was busted with a little bit of weed.
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Not true, you never consent to a search, if it gets impounded they need a warrant anyway. That is a lot of paperwork for a cop to do, so usually they won't bother trying to get a warrant for something small. I have, on more than one occasion, told a cop he cannot search my car. He has continued to push, but he didn't search it. You also never consent to your person being searched. You tell them, "You can pat me down for weapons, but you cannot search me."

He was carrying a gun, big ******* deal. Our consitution protects that right. I'm not quite sure how those laws stand, but i digress. If he didn't consent to the car being searched, he is a victim(probably of DWB.) Just because someone has committed a crime doesn't give the police the right to break the law themselves. They have to follow protocol, otherwise it is a very slippery slope.
I'm not a law expert, but I know cars are not like buildings. I've taken a course on the justice system in college, and search warrants were part of the course. Search warrants are not the same for cars and buildings. I could look up the details and the case that set the precedent, but it's not worth the trouble just to prove it here. It has to do with the fact that a car can be moved while a warrant is being issued while a building can't go anywhere. If local police go to get a warrant, and the car was moved out of their jurisdiction, they're screwed. If it was illegal to search his car, Lynch's expensive lawyer could easily get him out of the charges. If he was carrying a concealed firearm without proper license then he was breaking the law. You may not agree with that law, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a law. Not agreeing with a law doesn't make someone immune to it.
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I'm not sure why people are under the impression that Marshawn is a bad kid. Yeah, he is a little goofy and rambunctious at times but he is no thug.. Beastmode is nothing like a Pacman Jones or TO type of player, he has great character.. I'm not going to get down on the guy just because he was busted with a little bit of weed.
um, dont compare t.o. to pac-man; he hasnt been in trouble

and lynch didnt get busted for weed; try felony possession of a concealed weapon; plus he hit someone with his car
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I'm not a law expert, but I know cars are not like buildings. I've taken a course on the justice system in college, and search warrants were part of the course. Search warrants are not the same for cars and buildings. I could look up the details and the case that set the precedent, but it's not worth the trouble just to prove it here. It has to do with the fact that a car can be moved while a warrant is being issued while a building can't go anywhere. If local police go to get a warrant, and the car was moved out of their jurisdiction, they're screwed. If it was illegal to search his car, Lynch's expensive lawyer could easily get him out of the charges. If he was carrying a concealed firearm without proper license then he was breaking the law. You may not agree with that law, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a law. Not agreeing with a law doesn't make someone immune to it.
I know 100% that they cannot search your car without a warrant, unless they have probable cause that you are committing a felony, but probable cause is hard to prove in a court, so if you refuse to let them search it they can't do anything.

Just from reading the article, I am thinking he will get off(unless of course he consented to the search, and if thats the case he is an idiot.)

I have said this in many, many threads. Just because something is against the law doesn't make it wrong. There is no moral responsibility to follow unjust laws. In fact, I believe it is your moral responsibility to flaunt unjust laws.
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That article makes this sound like racial profiling and questionable police tactics at their finest.
You got racial profiling from that short little blurb? You have absolutely no clue whatsoever what happened. Neither do I, but to just assume racial profiling and "questionable police tactics" is beyond ignorant. The cops that arrested him could have been black, we have no idea and will probably never know.

He broke the law, he got caught, it happens all the time.
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Old 02-15-2009, 10:27 PM    (permalink
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I know 100% that they cannot search your car without a warrant, unless they have probable cause that you are committing a felony, but probable cause is hard to prove in a court, so if you refuse to let them search it they can't do anything.

Just from reading the article, I am thinking he will get off(unless of course he consented to the search, and if thats the case he is an idiot.)

I have said this in many, many threads. Just because something is against the law doesn't make it wrong. There is no moral responsibility to follow unjust laws. In fact, I believe it is your moral responsibility to flaunt unjust laws.
You would be 100% wrong about the search warrant.

I am a cop and have never ever ever ever had a warrant to search a car. Do you really think that the cops are going to call a judge/magistrate at 3AM and say, "hey dude I just stopped this guy and I want to search his car can you stop banging your model wife and come sign this search warrant?"

At least in Ohio all you need is consent, probable cause or a K9 sniffing and alerting on the vehicle. Or if you have a reason to tow the vehicle (driver arrested, suspended, etc) you must inventory it first and that's usually how most of the crap is found. I'm assuming this is how it is everywhere since their are federal guide lines to follow.

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um, dont compare t.o. to pac-man; he hasnt been in trouble

and lynch didnt get busted for weed; try felony possession of a concealed weapon; plus he hit someone with his car


It's too early to make a judgement, let all the facts get out. The golf cart thing was ********, OK. However, I don't have a problem with athletes carrying weapons but it's foolish if you don't get a permit to carry a concealed weapon. You do know that Marshawn Lynch has been shot at in the past? He comes from a very bad neighborhood and he has done remarkably well given the circumstances.


BTW, T.O. and Pacman are BOTH headcases, so I will use that comparison all day long. Lynch is different though.
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BTW, T.O. and Pacman are BOTH headcases, so I will use that comparison all day long. Lynch is different though.
They're headcases for very different reasons though. One's a goon, the other is a cancer.
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They're headcases for very different reasons though. One's a goon, the other is a cancer.
Ofcourse, Lynch isn't the smartest person in the world.. I'm just saying that he isn't a headcase in the sense that he will create problems in your locker room and he is generally pretty nice and friendly with the fans. Clearly his recent arrest is a big problem, though.
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Ofcourse, Lynch isn't the smartest person in the world.. I'm just saying that he isn't a headcase in the sense that he will create problems in your locker room and he is generally pretty nice and friendly with the fans. Clearly his recent arrest is a big problem, though.
That's exactly what this is, a crime of stupidity. He didn't mean do anything wrong I'm sure, he was just trying to protect himself since NFL players are targets these days. He just never took the time to get a CCW, which are really easy to get. The judge will basically just call him a dumb ass, fine him and tell him he can't have a gun anymore.
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Was it just 'stupid' when he hit a lady and then fled the scene?
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Hey, this isn't the place to discuss that. Stick to the football.
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Seriously, cut it out. Both of you, or anyone else that would want to join in.


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That's exactly what this is, a crime of stupidity. He didn't mean do anything wrong I'm sure, he was just trying to protect himself since NFL players are targets these days. He just never took the time to get a CCW, which are really easy to get. The judge will basically just call him a dumb ass, fine him and tell him he can't have a gun anymore.

Agreed, hopefully it works out that way.
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Agreed, hopefully it works out that way.
Well that is probably how things will happen in the court but who knows what Goodell will do.
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Was it just 'stupid' when he hit a lady and then fled the scene?
Did Marshawn Lynch do something to you? You seem pretty upset with him.
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I'm not a law expert, but I know cars are not like buildings. I've taken a course on the justice system in college, and search warrants were part of the course. Search warrants are not the same for cars and buildings. I could look up the details and the case that set the precedent, but it's not worth the trouble just to prove it here. It has to do with the fact that a car can be moved while a warrant is being issued while a building can't go anywhere. If local police go to get a warrant, and the car was moved out of their jurisdiction, they're screwed. If it was illegal to search his car, Lynch's expensive lawyer could easily get him out of the charges. If he was carrying a concealed firearm without proper license then he was breaking the law. You may not agree with that law, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a law. Not agreeing with a law doesn't make someone immune to it.
Sure, a cop have have your car impounded and searched. However, these searches are not searches based on probable cause, a search warrant or an emergency situation. Instead, the argument or basis for these searches are that the police need to safe guard the vehicle for some reason and account for all property in the vehicle. In other words, the police are not seeking contraband, but are protecting themselves and the owner from any future problems relating to theft, damage, and security of property.

A search can ONLY be made if there is an emergency circumstance, the police have a search warrant, the driver consents, or there is contraband such as drugs or a gun in plain view. Even assuming one of these reasons are applicable, a search may be limited in its scope such as to you reachable area.

The cops don't have to worry about the driver or vehicle leaving the officer's jurisdiction while he is obtaining the warrant. In a situation where a warrant would be required, the police will call backup and detain the driver and passengers if necessary. At the very least, backup will stay on site until the officer returns with the search warrant.
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Clearly. Like Someone said, they must have probable cause (emergency/drugs in plain view) to search your vehicle. They ask you if they can search your car, usually people are so scared and don't want to look like they have something to hide so they say yes. If Lynch was on Probation from a prior case, the police have the right to search him whenever they want. But the right to privacy is protected in our constitution, and I have personally played this card with the police and they tried to talk me into it "If you have nothing to hide, you wont have a problem with us searching you" but I stood my ground and they had to let me go.
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Sure, a cop have have your car impounded and searched. However, these searches are not searches based on probable cause, a search warrant or an emergency situation. Instead, the argument or basis for these searches are that the police need to safe guard the vehicle for some reason and account for all property in the vehicle. In other words, the police are not seeking contraband, but are protecting themselves and the owner from any future problems relating to theft, damage, and security of property.

A search can ONLY be made if there is an emergency circumstance, the police have a search warrant, the driver consents, or there is contraband such as drugs or a gun in plain view. Even assuming one of these reasons are applicable, a search may be limited in its scope such as to you reachable area.

The cops don't have to worry about the driver or vehicle leaving the officer's jurisdiction while he is obtaining the warrant. In a situation where a warrant would be required, the police will call backup and detain the driver and passengers if necessary. At the very least, backup will stay on site until the officer returns with the search warrant.
I've violated federal law basically every single time I have searched a vehicle then.
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Go turn yourself in, son.
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Nah I think I'm good, he doesn't quite know his search and seizure laws that well. :)
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Nah I think I'm good, he doesn't quite know his search and seizure laws that well. :)
I know them well enough to have gotten out of getting my car searched multiple times.

If the driver consents to a search, the search is legal and valid. Most police are experts at getting drivers who have no idea what their rights are to consent to their cars being searched.
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I've violated federal law basically every single time I have searched a vehicle then.
Those are essentially the things you told me in the PM. Like you said, probably cause is a ***** to prove. I will never allow my car to be searched, because I'm not an idiot and I don't leave illegal things in plain sight. Nothing he said contradicted what you sent me in the PM.
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