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Old 03-02-2009, 10:43 PM    (permalink
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3 million a year for a thousand yard running back (with 5.6 ypc) hasn't been overpay since Independence Day was in theaters.
Look beyond the stats and assess the situation he had in New York.
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I really wish him the best and think Tampa is a very good spot for him because they have a good young oline to run behind a big strong RB to wear defenses down for. He's a true jack of all trades, master of none and he helps you in a lot of different ways, but that doesn't make him worth much to a team who's got a great lead back ad behind him have a young explosive back who should be able to replace Ward as a receiving back with a good offseason and is already as productive of a runner, not even mentioning that he's far more explosive and tougher to bring down.
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Look beyond the stats and assess the situation he had in New York.
If all people looked at was the stats, 4 million a year would seem like the bargain of the offseason.
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Great signing considering he came cheaper than Michael Clayton. With Caddy injured again and Clifton better off returning, we needed someone to split carries with Graham. With Ward, we can now use our 3rd and 4th rd picks on defense instead of looking at guys like James Davis and Andre Brown.
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That's why you look past the stats and realize it's just a good solid deal.
Yes, but he offered the Giants, where its known he would have success a better deal and they turned it down.

I enjoyed watching E, W and F. :(
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Yes, but he offered the Giants, where its known he would have success a better deal and they turned it down.

I enjoyed watching E, W and F. :(
Because why spend that money on a guy who we think we can replace with more touches for Bradshaw and some Danny Ware. It's not like we let him go because we're cheap, we let him go because Reese thought that that money could be better spent elsewhere with minimal loss in production.
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Because why spend that money on a guy who we think we can replace with more touches for Bradshaw and some Danny Ware. It's not like we let him go because we're cheap, we let him go because Reese thought that that money could be better spent elsewhere with minimal loss in production.


Because the Giants had the #1 run game in the NFL this past season and why rock the boat for only 3 million in cap savings?
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like i already said.

The Giants had 7 mil a year for Canty but not 4 for Ward. :(
good point. its sad. derrick ward was great for us and he will always be as highly regarded to giants fans as anyone right now...i hope he has great success in tampa he deserves it
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Good to see him get the respect he deserved last offseason.

But one thing that is going against him. He doesn't have Madison Hedgecock and the Giants offensive line in front of him anymore. The Giants line, as a group, were the best run blockers in the NFL last year. After closely watching Tampa Bay 3-4 times last year, their big boys aren't close to halfway up the totem pole. We'll see what he's got.
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Because the Giants had the #1 run game in the NFL this past season and why rock the boat for only 3 million in cap savings?
Bradshaw is better than Ward. Guaranteed you'll agree in 9 months.
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Bradshaw is better than Ward. Guaranteed you'll agree in 9 months.
I like him more but let's see him do it first. I'd say he's got as good of chance at being successful but saying he's already better when has yet to average even close to double digit touches per game is premature to say the least.
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Good to see him get the respect he deserved last offseason.

But one thing that is going against him. He doesn't have Madison Hedgecock and the Giants offensive line in front of him anymore. The Giants line, as a group, were the best run blockers in the NFL last year. After closely watching Tampa Bay 3-4 times last year, their big boys aren't close to halfway up the totem pole. We'll see what he's got.
Aren't even half way? The Bucs O-Line is possibly the most promising part of the team. Particular the interior trio of Sears, Joseph and Faine.
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Maintaining the #1 run game in the NFL for 10 mil (apparently 9 as Ward wanted 3 a year from the Giants) a year is "beyond foolish"?
Football is not a game of maintenance; it's a game of replacement. The NFL is a young man's league.
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Ward is going to be 29 with 342 career carries (and 69 career receptions). Not exactly a lot of wear and tear there. And why wouldn't you want to maintain the number one run game in the NFL?
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Great signing considering he came cheaper than Michael Clayton. With Caddy injured again and Clifton better off returning, we needed someone to split carries with Graham. With Ward, we can now use our 3rd and 4th rd picks on defense instead of looking at guys like James Davis and Andre Brown.
If James Davis or Andre Brown are available with our 3rd and 4th round picks, I'd take both. They're steals.
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Yes, but he offered the Giants, where its known he would have success a better deal and they turned it down.

I enjoyed watching E, W and F. :(
there still is E, W and F...

and yfs (as usual) is right. 29 for a RB is getting to that age where they start slowing down. Bradshaw has his chance to shine right now as our #2 back. I'm excited to see what he can do, but still want to sign another vet for the G-men.

I just really wanna see what Ward can do in Tampa and how they'll utilize him. very intrigued.
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I talked to Coach Garrett, Jason Garrett's father, and the knows everything about football, and he was more excited about Bradshaw than with Jacobs. He liked what Jacobs brought to the game, but he held Bradshaw in high regard over ALL our backs. Simply talked about the first 3 steps and how explosive he was. He also liked his vision as well which is deadly when you mix it with that explosive first 3 steps.
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Great pickup by the Bucs, Ward is gonna be a nice back for them rushing and catching the ball outta the backfield....... Now TB just needs a WR, and QB then they have an offense, LOL
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I talked to Coach Garrett, Jason Garrett's father, and the knows everything about football, and he was more excited about Bradshaw than with Jacobs. He liked what Jacobs brought to the game, but he held Bradshaw in high regard over ALL our backs. Simply talked about the first 3 steps and how explosive he was. He also liked his vision as well which is deadly when you mix it with that explosive first 3 steps.
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Because the Giants had the #1 run game in the NFL this past season and why rock the boat for only 3 million in cap savings?
Agreed, Id take Ward back over Bernard....Not sure about Canty yet, Im a sucker for NFLers from NYC. Too bad we wouldnt even give the guy 3mil after he was part of the 4th RB tandem in NFL HISTORY to rush for over 1K yds
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I talked to Coach Garrett, Jason Garrett's father, and the knows everything about football, and he was more excited about Bradshaw than with Jacobs. He liked what Jacobs brought to the game, but he held Bradshaw in high regard over ALL our backs. Simply talked about the first 3 steps and how explosive he was. He also liked his vision as well which is deadly when you mix it with that explosive first 3 steps.
Oh trust me I saw it in him in the preseason of 2007. If you have any tapes...watch him break tackles. Just unbelievable. With Ward out of the picture, I expect Bradshaw to absolutely burst on to the scene and tear it up.
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If Caddy stays healthy then he could be part of another great 1-2-3 punch with him, Earnest, and Caddy...great signing...other than cutting Brooks I love what the Bucs are doing this year

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Originally Posted by Shockey+Manning=Shocking View Post
Yeah, I like this MB, good way to interact with other fan bases.
Word, thats what I'm lovin as well. Every FA pickup we get ive been going to their team boards here and checking the low down on the guys we get. I couldnt believe all the praise for Boley, its kinda like us Giants fans with Ward, just about nothing but good news. Now Im waiting to hear what the Texans fans gotta say about CC Brown the new Safety we just inked from Houston

...I enjoy these MBs as well, theyre the only football MBs I can access at work
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