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Old 03-03-2009, 10:04 PM    (permalink
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Has us taking Jason Smith and Ziggy Hood. I'd actually be very happy with that draft (I've come around to your way of thinking since1978!). Upgrade the lines a bunch right away. Drafting Smith pushes Backus to guard, which is basically an upgrade on two offensive line positions. Hood is an excellent one gap penetrator type that can be used rotationally to start with (Although I'd really like to see Redding get less PT).

Now, that said, if the Lions grade Stafford as a franchise QB, you have to take him. But if they rate him a little lower, I'd be fine with Smith.
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I would rather have Monroe than Smith any day.
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I would rather have Monroe than Smith any day.
I 2nd that. Anyone that plays LT over Albert has to be doing something right.
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I'd rather have Backus at LT and a Rookie LG than a Rookie LT and Backus at LG. It's also smarter financially.
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I'd rather have Backus at LT and a Rookie LG than a Rookie LT and Backus at LG. It's also smarter financially.
I'd rather have Matt Stafford.

Let's just cut to the chase. NO Left Tackles at #1!
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I'd rather have Backus at LT and a Rookie LG than a Rookie LT and Backus at LG. It's also smarter financially.
I agree it's smarter financially. However it's not like a rookie LT can't come in and be a dominant player. Long and Clady were two of the top three tackles in the AFC last year. I would certainly take either of those guys on the Lions.

Again though, if the Lions grade Stafford as a franchise type QB, we have to take him. I'm just saying that if they grade him out lower then I wouldn't be upset with this.
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Word is Jason Smith didn't have a very good pro day and the Lions weren't even in attendance. Jason Smith had a problem with a drill that exposed his lack of lower body strenght. Lower body strength is the same problem Backus has and makes him susceptible to the bull rush.

I take Stafford over Smith/Monroe right now even if Stafford isn't BPA(of course if Stafford is still deemed a franchise QB which he is). A rookie LT in 2010 can come in and play right away with more success than a rookie spread QB.
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Word is Jason Smith didn't have a very good pro day and the Lions weren't even in attendance. Jason Smith had a problem with a drill that exposed his lack of lower body strenght. Lower body strength is the same problem Backus has and makes him susceptible to the bull rush.

I take Stafford over Smith/Monroe right now even if Stafford isn't BPA(of course if Stafford is still deemed a franchise QB which he is). A rookie LT in 2010 can come in and play right away with more success than a rookie spread QB.
Agreed. 2010 is supposed to have 2-3 tackles that could easily be top 15 picks.
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I expect that Mayhew has already made up his mind to draft Stafford and simply isn't interested in anybody else. It's sad because he has no fall back position if Stafford bombs at his pro day. It just isn't smart to not check out the top 5 guys throughly to keep your options open.
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I expect that Mayhew has already made up his mind to draft Stafford and simply isn't interested in anybody else. It's sad because he has no fall back position if Stafford bombs at his pro day. It just isn't smart to not check out the top 5 guys throughly to keep your options open.
Either that or he has top confidence in Stafford (and his ability to ink him to an early contract).

Are we absolutely certain the Lions weren't at Smith's workout? Isn't it possible we have a private workout for him at some point?
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I expect that Mayhew has already made up his mind to draft Stafford and simply isn't interested in anybody else. It's sad because he has no fall back position if Stafford bombs at his pro day. It just isn't smart to not check out the top 5 guys throughly to keep your options open.
Its been reported that the lions have taken Stafford and Curry out to dinner/interview. At least through what I have seen and maybe they have talked to others. I dont think its just Stafford at this point.

These 1-day events are somewhat over-rated in my opinion anyway. I guess, yes as you say he could completely bomb but even if he was average, wouldn't they base more of their judgment off of game film? What if he has a bad pro-day?
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Either that or he has top confidence in Stafford (and his ability to ink him to an early contract).

Are we absolutely certain the Lions weren't at Smith's workout? Isn't it possible we have a private workout for him at some point?
A private workout is possible, especially if Smith is the only guy we had any interest in from Baylor. It could very well be we were more concerned with getting the players we want in FA yesterday.
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[quote=sunnyintheD;1529382]A private workout is possible, especially if Smith is the only guy we had any interest in from Baylor. It could very well be we were more concerned with getting the players we want in FA yesterday.[/QUOTE

We could have sent a scout. We have an entire scouting department and Mayhew and some others could stay for the free agents. The scouting dept must go on vacation in March/April. It seems that way with the way we drafted under Millen.

There probably will be a private workout for Smith. But this regime has already said they like Backus. That could change, but I think Stafford is the guy. I can't see Stafford bombing his pro day. Stafford did some things at the combine and has 3 years of tape. When is his pro day?
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Why would Stafford bomb at his pro day and why should the Lions have a big change of heart if he did. Up to March 19th he is their favorite for the #1 pick, but they should throw away all the tape, interviews and everything else they have on Stafford for a pro day? Please. If Mayhew doesn't have a backup plan, it's because he's smart enough to know Stafford won't suddenly forget how to throw at his pro day.
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Why would Stafford bomb at his pro day and why should the Lions have a big change of heart if he did. Up to March 19th he is their favorite for the #1 pick, but they should throw away all the tape, interviews and everything else they have on Stafford for a pro day? Please. If Mayhew doesn't have a backup plan, it's because he's smart enough to know Stafford won't suddenly forget how to throw at his pro day.
I think Mayhew does have a backup plan to Stafford. It's Aaron Curry. The pick should be Stafford with no regards to the pro day.
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I agree, all the 'stafford won't start from day one'-talk is just BS. Lions can't do worse tahn last year, so they may want to start rebuilding rahter than some far-fetched Kirwan pipe dream.
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stafford won't need a full year to sit. he can start midseason. the only reason we'd keep him on the bench would be our horrible pass protection. with actual coaching and quicker decisions by the qb i believe that should be better this year. that being said, if daunte can't beat him out then he should re retire.
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He might not need a full year to sit.. but I'll keep him on the bench as long as possible. I wouldn't want him to pick up some bad tendencies playing behind our below average OL.
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I think you can always find a decent LT or linebacker in any draft, but you would be hard pressed to find a player as good as Stafford in any draft. Maybe 1-2 times a decade you find a Cutler or a Stafford. The rest of the time, you get players like Harrington, Shuler, Alex Smith, and Sam Bradford.
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I think you can always find a decent LT or linebacker in any draft, but you would be hard pressed to find a player as good as Stafford in any draft. Maybe 1-2 times a decade you find a Cutler or a Stafford. The rest of the time, you get players like Harrington, Shuler, Alex Smith, and Sam Bradford.
Not to be negative, but IMO it might be a little too early to annoint him a 1-2 times a decade guy, since he hasnt thrown a pass in the NFL and all.
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