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Old 03-05-2009, 08:33 PM    (permalink
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I like this signing, and I've liked how the Pats have handled this off-season. Wheatley is going to be the next Hobbs for us, very similar players.

If Watson could chisel the stone off his hands, he'd be an elite TE, but that doesn't seem the case, Baker will bring some fire onto Watson's ass and hopefully force him to improve.
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I like the signings.
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Springs is good but he's made of glass. He's great for matching up on big physical receivers.

Once that hammy or calf goes, the season goes.
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Also, there's an unexplored storyline here - Shawn Springs is Terrell Owens' rival, and there's talk the Jets will sign Owens, although that's a bad situation for him, playing with Clemens and/or Ratliff at QB. If McNabb, Garcia couldn't cut it, there's no way those guys do.
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The thing that the Pats do that some people marvel at are the signings they make that actually payoff and they are seen as geniuses. if Springs doesn't work out, if Adalius gets injured again its overlooked, but if they get someone low risk high reward and pays off its genius. Moss, Seau did well for some time, Rodney Harrison etc. ZOMGZ they are geniuses!!!

Signing Springs will be one of those ahh who cares if he does jack **** or ZOMGZZZ PATRIOTS KNEW ALL ALONG THEY ARE SUCH GENIUSES IF HE HAS 9 INTS.
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The thing that the Pats do that some people marvel at are the signings they make that actually payoff and they are seen as geniuses. if Springs doesn't work out, if Adalius gets injured again its overlooked, but if they get someone low risk high reward and pays off its genius. Moss, Seau did well for some time, Rodney Harrison etc. ZOMGZ they are geniuses!!!

Signing Springs will be one of those ahh who cares if he does jack **** or ZOMGZZZ PATRIOTS KNEW ALL ALONG THEY ARE SUCH GENIUSES IF HE HAS 9 INTS.
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The thing that the Pats do that some people marvel at are the signings they make that actually payoff and they are seen as geniuses. if Springs doesn't work out, if Adalius gets injured again its overlooked, but if they get someone low risk high reward and pays off its genius. Moss, Seau did well for some time, Rodney Harrison etc. ZOMGZ they are geniuses!!!

Signing Springs will be one of those ahh who cares if he does jack **** or ZOMGZZZ PATRIOTS KNEW ALL ALONG THEY ARE SUCH GENIUSES IF HE HAS 9 INTS.
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I like the signings so far, too. Fragile Fred, Springs, and Baker are all guys with solid production in their history. Sure they're older and could break down, but the Pats usually get players like this at solid bargain type prices.

Which leads me too . . .
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Signing Springs will be one of those ahh who cares if he does jack **** or ZOMGZZZ PATRIOTS KNEW ALL ALONG THEY ARE SUCH GENIUSES IF HE HAS 9 INTS.
Isn't that the point of "low risk high reward" signings? If they work out you're brilliant (high reward) if they flop it is NBD (low risk.)
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Too many old guys. I'm not against the move and it's probably only for a year, but it just makes our defense seem so much older. Always have to watch out for the defense breaking down with age. Hope this doesn't change our draft plans any. We still need a younger starting caliber corner.

Any idea how much this is going to cost us?

And yeah, Watson is an absolute waste of talent. Terrible hands and he isn't good at locating the ball on top of that.
They need veterans... They brought in a bunch of young guys that they're developing and are poised to bring in a lot more this year.
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I like the signings so far, too. Fragile Fred, Springs, and Baker are all guys with solid production in their history. Sure they're older and could break down, but the Pats usually get players like this at solid bargain type prices.

Which leads me too . . .

Isn't that the point of "low risk high reward" signings? If they work out you're brilliant (high reward) if they flop it is NBD (low risk.)
But what makes the Patriots different from other teams, that they strike luck more than once? Every team does it from time to time. But other teasm are seen as failures when its over looked about the patriots if the person doesnt pan out.

I get why they sign these old bags, but they aren't doing anything different (off the field) than many other teams.
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hey the won rings for a reason I guess right lol

hopefully the true mastermind (Pioli) can have the same LUCK in KC!
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It's not really luck... They're able to sign these guys cheaper than most teams, and the Patriots are the best team in the NFL at putting players with specific skills in situations where they can succeed and produce.

Pioli will do the same thing in KC.
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hey the won rings for a reason I guess right lol

hopefully the true mastermind (Pioli) can have the same LUCK in KC!
He's already brought in a bunch of talent for you guys. With another nice draft, you guys should be well on your way to the playoffs in the near future.
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But what makes the Patriots different from other teams, that they strike luck more than once? Every team does it from time to time. But other teasm are seen as failures when its over looked about the patriots if the person doesnt pan out.

I get why they sign these old bags, but they aren't doing anything different (off the field) than many other teams.
Recently the patriots have done it more than most other teams, and have been winning as a result of these signings/late round draft finds. Also, alot more of these signings, recently, have panned out than those that have failed.
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We also don't count on those guys. That's an important part of it all.
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We also don't count on those guys. That's an important part of it all.
Will you did count on moss, Seau, Covin (for a time), Rodney..but in the last few years you are right they have been just pieces to the puzzle sorta
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That's the way to go I think. It's more a mindset than anything else, but I think we realize that a lot of these guys might not pan out.
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Colvin was a big signing (originally, not this past year), Seau wasn't counted on until he'd already proven himself, and Moss wasn't counted on at all (remember, same off-season they brought in Stallworth, Washington, Welker, and had Chad Jackson developing)...
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Colvin was a big signing (not this past year), Seau wasn't counted on until he'd already proven himself, and Moss wasn't counted on at all...
Agreement. Colvin kinda came and went, but he wasn't a risk/reward type guy. He was a reward that turned into a risk. Still ended up having some good years for us though.

You could even argue we didn't count on Rodney. Merriweather and Sanders were brought in to eventually be starters, even if Sanders has had mixed results in that role.
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But what makes the Patriots different from other teams, that they strike luck more than once? Every team does it from time to time. But other teasm are seen as failures when its over looked about the patriots if the person doesnt pan out.

I get why they sign these old bags, but they aren't doing anything different (off the field) than many other teams.
Like others have mentioned, Luck is an interesting choice of words. At what point does a good personnel system go from Luck to just plain smart? Every time a stud goes down the guy behind him steps up. You call it luck, we here in Patriots Camp call it a sound system w/a good eye for the talent needed to get the job done.

Now we will get to find out how much of that 'good eye' was attached to Pioli. ;)
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