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Old 03-09-2009, 03:08 AM    (permalink
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Old 03-09-2009, 03:17 AM    (permalink
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In no particular order

Mario Williams
Julius Peppers
John Abraham
Jared Allen
Justin Tuck
Osi Umenyiora (he was injured, but he's still a freaking beast)
Shaun Ellis
Trevor Pryce
Robert Mathis
Richard Seymour

IMO, if anyone uses a scale of 1-10 and actually ranks them, this will turn into a homer fest and will be pointless.

As I've always said there's a group of players this is the best 10 imo regardless of system.
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Mario Williams
Julius Peppers
John Abraham
Jared Allen
Justin Tuck
Osi Umenyiora (he was injured, but he's still a freaking beast)
Shaun Ellis
Trevor Pryce
Robert Mathis
Richard Seymour

IMO, if anyone uses a scale of 1-10 and actually ranks them, this will turn into a homer fest and will be pointless.

As I've always said there's a group of players this is the best 10 imo regardless of system.
Interesting to see Mathis on that list and no Freeney. I wonder who most Colts fans think is the best DE out of the two.

Personally I feel that Aaron Kampman should be on that list somewhere but I guess if he is moving to OLB then he won't be an end next year.

When healthy Patrick Kerney could be on that list too.
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1. Mario Williams
2. Jared Allen
3. Haloti Ngata
4. Dwight Freeney
5. Darnell Dockett
6. John Abraham
7. Richard Seymour
8. Justin Tuck
9. Trent Cole
10. Osi Umenyiora
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Dockett hasn't had any PT yet in a true 3-4, but he most likely will still be top 5 at the position
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Interesting to see Mathis on that list and no Freeney. I wonder who most Colts fans think is the best DE out of the two.

Personally I feel that Aaron Kampman should be on that list somewhere but I guess if he is moving to OLB then he won't be an end next year.

When healthy Patrick Kerney could be on that list too.
Freeney, and honestly it isn't that close in my opinion. Freeney is doubled pretty much EVERY single play. That can not be underestimated on how it will effect the production of both Freeney and Mathis.
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And people don't believe me that Aaron Smith is underrated. Might be the most underrated player in the game. Simply a beast at DE, and a huge reason the Steelers defense was as good as it was.
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Mario Williams
Julius Peppers
John Abraham
Jared Allen
Justin Tuck
Osi Umenyiora (he was injured, but he's still a freaking beast)
Shaun Ellis
Trevor Pryce
Robert Mathis
Richard Seymour

IMO, if anyone uses a scale of 1-10 and actually ranks them, this will turn into a homer fest and will be pointless.

As I've always said there's a group of players this is the best 10 imo regardless of system.
I am absolutely shocked you put Trevor Pryce on that list. Seriously? Guy that has had 1 10+ sack season out of the past 8 years? I wouldn't put him near a top 10 list of the best DE's.
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3-4 DEs... 4-3 DEs? Are we talking Complete 4-3 DEs or passing rushing specialists that get those sacks?
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I agree with this completely. Aaron Smith is a monster and gets no credit because of all the other guys on his team. I would easily put him on the top 10 list.
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3-4 DEs... 4-3 DEs? Are we talking Complete 4-3 DEs or passing rushing specialists that get those sacks?
After reading a couple of the lists I scrolled down to type something like "It's too hard to put 3-4 and 4-3 ends on the same list because they require such different talents....." and then I saw you had the same thought, lol.

I think if I did it, I'd put 4-3 ends and 3-4 OLBs on the same list while 3-4 ends would get their own list...
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After reading a couple of the lists I scrolled down to type something like "It's too hard to put 3-4 and 4-3 ends on the same list because they require such different talents....." and then I saw you had the same thought, lol.

I think if I did it, I'd put 4-3 ends and 3-4 OLBs on the same list while 3-4 ends would get their own list...
doing that wouldn't accomplish anything because then you are combining two completely different positions into one list...so you might as well just do a DE in either system and accomplish the same incomplete list....

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Mario Williams
Julius Peppers
Trent Cole
Aaron Kampman (until he plays OLB i'm including him here)
Osi Umenyiora (pre-injury)
Jared Allen
Justin Tuck
John Abraham
Dwight Freeney
Patrick Kerney (pre-injury)
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After reading a couple of the lists I scrolled down to type something like "It's too hard to put 3-4 and 4-3 ends on the same list because they require such different talents....." and then I saw you had the same thought, lol.

I think if I did it, I'd put 4-3 ends and 3-4 OLBs on the same list while 3-4 ends would get their own list...
I normally don't rank players or do these type of threads, but I am more interested in seeing how others rank and evaluate players. But I thought I'd post because 3-4 Des and 4-3 DEs have different responsibilities, so tossing them in one category wouldn't be accurate to rank them.

If I were to rank the DEs I'd have 3 seperate categories:

3-4 DEs:

4-3 COMPLETE DEs ( Ability to get sacks and stop the run equally well)

4-3 Pass Rushing specialists ( Ability to get sacks, but don't really stop the run well at all, as reflected in their tackle count)
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So when's the next positional top 10 coming out?
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4-3 DE's will always get more recognition over 3-4 DE's, just as 3-4 OLB's get more recognition than 4-3 OLB's. You know that, SC. Just look forward to the Top 10 OLB thread where James Harrison and The Lamarr Woodley will get slurped. ;)
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DE's are too tough to do, such different responsibilities with different schemes.

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Freeney, and honestly it isn't that close in my opinion. Freeney is doubled pretty much EVERY single play. That can not be underestimated on how it will effect the production of both Freeney and Mathis.
If the Colts could ever get a good DT, people would finally see how good Freeney is. He's without a doubt the 2nd best/most important player on the Colts. He is double teamed every play, and is held all the time (and its not the "theres holding on every play" kind of holding).
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If the Colts could ever get a good DT, people would finally see how good Freeney is. He's without a doubt the 2nd best/most important player on the Colts. He is double teamed every play, and is held all the time (and its not the "theres holding on every play" kind of holding).
So are alot of the DEs above. When it comes to being a complete DE Freeney is invisible. Freeney is a great passing rushing specialist but aside from that he is no where near a complete DE.
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haha, people would rather whine and complain than take part in an actual fun ranking. Every threads ends up with a 'they are different schemes!', 'how can you compare', 'you are a homer', etc. etc. Why can't people just make their lists. If you think they need to be separated, then separate and make your list. It is a lot more enjoyable than reading everyone complaining about a thread or just digging into the thread starter. Have some fun, and enjoy football....
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I am not afraid of being called a homer so here it goes.

Trent Cole better be on these lists. He is a monster on the line. He gets off the line very quickly and he forces offenses to make adjustments and forces QBs to throw earlier then they want to. He was doubled all year and he still managed 9 sacks (should've been 10 but Big Ben barely got a pass off but he got credited with a safety so...). But more important is the fact that he led the NFL in tackles for a loss. He is great in run defense which is suprising considering he isn't the biggest guy. VERY good player and he is still young at only 26 years old.

Yeah, I'm a homer!
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Watch out for a big breakout year for Derrick Harvey. No homer, especially if we draft BJ Raji.
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I am not afraid of being called a homer so here it goes.

Trent Cole better be on these lists. He is a monster on the line. He gets off the line very quickly and he forces offenses to make adjustments and forces QBs to throw earlier then they want to. He was doubled all year and he still managed 9 sacks (should've been 10 but Big Ben barely got a pass off but he got credited with a safety so...). But more important is the fact that he led the NFL in tackles for a loss. He is great in run defense which is suprising considering he isn't the biggest guy. VERY good player and he is still young at only 26 years old.

Yeah, I'm a homer!
I love Trent Cole and usually have him on these lists, but there's not really anyone I could remove just to include him. He's been a bargain for a fifth rounder.
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