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Old 03-12-2009, 08:44 PM    (permalink
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The greatest GM of our time is 51 today. Rumor has it he's partying with Joey Harrington, Charles Rodgers, and Mike Williams today.
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I wonder if he'll ever work in the NFL again... I would love to see him become a GM again in a few years and do amazing. Just to see the Lions reaction... Detroit would rebel haha
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I wonder if he'll ever work in the NFL again... I would love to see him become a GM again in a few years and do amazing. Just to see the Lions reaction... Detroit would rebel haha
Nah. Millen is tainted, and wrongly. He was a terrible GM, yes, but the guy was an excellent excellent commentator and analyst for YEARS before being hired to GM a team. He has great football knowledge and can break down a game with the best of him. When you see him on TV, don't scoff, he knows his stuff (and please don't come in here with BS about "if he knows so much, why was he a crappy GM?" Same reasons writers, analysts, and others aren't GMs, they are very different and a lot is more involved. Why hasn't Kiper ever been hired as a GM?)
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Idk, he has an awesome gig right now. I wonder if team's have ever approached him about becoming their head scout/assistant GM. I doubt he'd go straight to GM.
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Idk, he has an awesome gig right now. I wonder if team's have ever approached him about becoming their head scout/assistant GM. I doubt he'd go straight to GM.
because if Kiper is wrong about a top 5 pick or a FA now as God, he just says ok. If he were wrong as a GM, he would set his team back and could possibly be fired. Too much Risk for zero gain. I think this is what JBond was virtually saying.
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Here's a B-Day present for him.... stolen striaght from the Funny Pictures Thread!

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because if Kiper is wrong about a top 5 pick or a FA now as God, he just says ok. If he were wrong as a GM, he would set his team back and could possibly be fired. Too much Risk for zero gain. I think this is what JBond was virtually saying.
Hit it right in the head. It's all about weighing the risk/reward. Kiper is obviously no idiot, he has no need to risk his great job at ESPN working half of the year and probably making a **** ton of money, i wouldn't say he travels much and unless he embarrasses ESPN outside of the studio, i don't see a reason why they won't keep bringing him back year after year. He has no where near that security/comfort working for an NFL team.
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He ******* ruined one of my favorite college QBs of all time, Joey Harrington. **** that guy.
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He ruined him by...picking him?
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Hiring two consecutive guys who he knew planned on implementing an offense that in no way was fit to Joey Harrington's skills.
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Matt Millen is one of the biggest pieces of **** to ever grace the fropnt office of a NFL franchise. He single handedly destroyed a franchise that had the picks and oppertunities to become a contender and a force in the NFL. Go back and look at those picks and look at their needs to correspond with those picks and the players that were drafted afterwards. Its an absolute disgrace that a man like that was allowed to destroy a franchise and then allowed to leave without being a arrested for stealing peoples money.

Should we go back and look at what they had an oppertunity to take, it will make you absolutely sick. Let's just say they could have had Andre Johnson (2002 1rst Rnd), Jay Cutler (2006 1rst Rnd), Jamaal Brown (2005 1rst Rnd), Calvin Johnson (finally the right pick), Casey Hampton (2001 1rst Rnd), Quentin Jammer (2002 1rst Rnd), Clinton Portis (twice 2002 2nd Rnd), Anquan Boldin (2nd Rnd 2003), Rashean Mathis (2003 2nd Rnd) and Jason Witten (2003 3rd Rnd) all in the same draft after the Lions made their choice and all three positions were of high need.

In 2004 they chose Roy Williams which is looked at as a decent pick, but when you look back th eplayers they passed up on, especially if they had made the right choices the previous years with their recievers they could have taken Jonathan Vilma, Tommie Harris, Shawn Andrews or Will Smith, not too mention Vince Wilfork who would have helped them tremendously.

In 2005 Matt Millen decided to take a shot at another WR in Mike Williams. A player that hadn't played in 1 full year yet the great Millen thought this kid, along with dummy Kiper, to be a red zone freak that would be a TD catching machine. Well he wasn't, and the needs they passed on to try and help Harrington more were DeMarcus Ware, Shawn Merriman, Jammal Brown, Thomas Davis (who could have made the change to LB just as he did in Carolina and still would have been a huge upgrade to their LB corps) or they could have gone the easy route and take an athletic freak in Derrick Johnson who was widely considered the best LB prospect in the 2005 draft. In the 2nd round Millen chooses a mediocre tiered prospect who would have been a 5th or 6th rounder had he not played for the SC Trojans. Shaun Cody was picked over players that were needed to shore up their weak secondary. Nick Collins, Ronald Bartell, Klvin Hayden, Oshiomogho Atogwe and Ellis Hobbs were all passed on. They also passed on Lofa Tatupa when they needed a presence in the middle of the defense LB corps. They passed on Michael Roos when they needed a legit long term answer at the ORT position and Roos was widely considered a terrific small school guy along with passing on OT Khalif Barnes who was considered a 1rst rounder by some.

In 2006 they chose Ernie Sims, and yes Sims is one of the better up and comers in the league, but with Joey Harrington being done in Detroit and the verdict was out that he was a bust they had an oppertunity to take Jay Cutler or at the least Matt Leinert. Now I have a feeling that Leinert would have been the pick, but you can't help but think that Cutler was there and ther Lions needed to explore those scenerios. But they didn't and went smallish LB instead, that had the hype of being the next Derrick Brooks.

In 2007, they finally made the right choice in Calvin Johnson, but as great as Calvin is, nd don't get me wrong, he is outstanding and one of the premiere WE in the league, they still could have had Joe Thomas, who in this day and age is more valuable then a WR. I know, I know, a Calvin is a once in a lifetime player, but he can't have an impact without a QB and a QB can't have an impact without a legit premiere OLT. Joe Thomas was the pick, but an elite WR is a great consolation prize..LOL

Cherilus has a lot to prove, but they were forced into taking him, so I will give him some slack and maybe he will turn into a solid run blocking mauler, but if thats what they were looking for then Jeff Otah should have been their choice. Otah looks to be the next Kareem McKenzie, a big nasty mammoth tackle that is a terrific road grader.

Matt Millen is the reason, the sole reason why the Detroit Lions are the worst team in the NFL and it looks to be a long slow rebuilding process. Only the Rams and Chiefs have had a pitiful draft picks over the same amount of time, and you can see how a bad GM making bad draft piks can effect a franchise.
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I wouldn't say the sole reason. Ford definitely deserves some credit for that failure.
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I think Joey's heart ruined him sadly.
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I wouldn't say the sole reason. Ford definitely deserves some credit for that failure.
I agree, but the amount of nonsense and crap that he put forth onto the Destroit fans is almost criminal. The picks seemed more sporadic or acts of rebellion then making sound judgments on talent.

The whole Joey Harrington thing was just wierd. Joey had 1rst round grades, but top 3, I don't think so. PLus had Millen done his research instead of falling in love with a player because of a particular interview or character is just insane to say the least. Maybe Millen felt like JOey was the real deal because he had his mug on a 5 story banner in times square. Maybe Millen equated that to actual NFL talent.

And then the constant draft picks to help this kid, while the rest of the team suffered greatly. 3 receivers and 2 of which or out of the league was just the stuff that was national known and was a running joke, but the other drafts and signings and free agent deals were just as bad. Trades for players that made no sense. All of it was just one big pile of crap that stunk to high heaven and the only person that actually had power to do something about was some how hyptnotized by Millen. Ford didn't do anything until his son finally stood up and made a public statment about how horrible Millen was. Where the hell was this son 4 years ago when he saw that Harrignton wasn't working out yet Millen was in deep denial?

I mean, can you imagine if the Lions had gotten 75% of those picks right? They'd be a contender right now, and if they did have this pic coming up in April they can take Curry or the best player available instead of being pigeon hold into taking Matt Stafford.



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2002. 1rst Rnd Quentin Jammer
2002. 2nd Rnd Clinton Portis

2003. 1rst Rnd Andre Johnson
2003. 2nd Rnd Jason Witten

2004. 1rst Rnd (#2 1rst Rnd pick) Chris Snee

2005. 1rst Rnd Derrick Johnson
2005. 2nd Rnd Michael Roos

2006. 1rst Rnd Jay Cutler
2006. 2nd Rnd. Richard Marshall

2008. 1rst Rnd Kenny Phillips

If they had drafted those players, which were all huge needs at the time and add them to Jeff Backus (1rst 2001) & Shaun Rogers (2nd 2001), Roy Williams (1rst 2004) and because of the success of Clinton Portis you wouldn't have to draft Kevin Jones and there for draft a powerful inside offensive lineman and in 2004 Snee was one of the best inside lineman. In 2007 they can take Calvin Johnson. And because the Lions have Roos and Backus they can draft a Safety in 2008 to shore up their secondary to give them a center fielder instead of Cherilus.

Those draft picks were all needs going into to each year. And yet Millen went with hype over substance.

Imagine the Lions with those players to go along with some of the solid compliment players they have and you got yourself a legit contender that would challenge the Viks and Pack for the NFC North Division.
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I agree, but the amount of nonsense and crap that he put forth onto the Destroit fans is almost criminal. The picks seemed more sporadic or acts of rebellion then making sound judgments on talent.

The whole Joey Harrington thing was just wierd. Joey had 1rst round grades, but top 3, I don't think so. PLus had Millen done his research instead of falling in love with a player because of a particular interview or character is just insane to say the least. Maybe Millen felt like JOey was the real deal because he had his mug on a 5 story banner in times square. Maybe Millen equated that to actual NFL talent.

And then the constant draft picks to help this kid, while the rest of the team suffered greatly. 3 receivers and 2 of which or out of the league was just the stuff that was national known and was a running joke, but the other drafts and signings and free agent deals were just as bad. Trades for players that made no sense. All of it was just one big pile of crap that stunk to high heaven and the only person that actually had power to do something about was some how hyptnotized by Millen. Ford didn't do anything until his son finally stood up and made a public statment about how horrible Millen was. Where the hell was this son 4 years ago when he saw that Harrignton wasn't working out yet Millen was in deep denial?

I mean, can you imagine if the Lions had gotten 75% of those picks right? They'd be a contender right now, and if they did have this pic coming up in April they can take Curry or the best player available instead of being pigeon hold into taking Matt Stafford.



Real quick we'll do this. I pick just a few picks right for them.


2002. 1rst Rnd Quentin Jammer
2002. 2nd Rnd Clinton Portis

2003. 1rst Rnd Andre Johnson
2003. 2nd Rnd Jason Witten

2004. 1rst Rnd (#2 1rst Rnd pick) Chris Snee

2005. 1rst Rnd Derrick Johnson
2005. 2nd Rnd Michael Roos

2006. 1rst Rnd Jay Cutler
2006. 2nd Rnd. Richard Marshall

2008. 1rst Rnd Kenny Phillips

If they had drafted those players, which were all huge needs at the time and add them to Jeff Backus (1rst 2001) & Shaun Rogers (2nd 2001), Roy Williams (1rst 2004) and because of the success of Clinton Portis you wouldn't have to draft Kevin Jones and there for draft a powerful inside offensive lineman and in 2004 Snee was one of the best inside lineman. In 2007 they can take Calvin Johnson. And because the Lions have Roos and Backus they can draft a Safety in 2008 to shore up their secondary to give them a center fielder instead of Cherilus.

Those draft picks were all needs going into to each year. And yet Millen went with hype over substance.

Imagine the Lions with those players to go along with some of the solid compliment players they have and you got yourself a legit contender that would challenge the Viks and Pack for the NFC North Division.
The sad thing is that I can say that about Jacknsoville's front office in the past few years too. Byron Leftwich. Hugh Douglas. Reggie Williams. Matt Jones. Marcedes Lewis. Drayton Florence. Jerry Porter. David Garrard. The amount of guaranteed money that was given to these guys was absolutely disgusting.

I think it was BBD who brought up the concept that teams are like families. Good parents raise good kids. I.E. teams with structured, strong, financially supported front offices (like the Patriots, Colts, Cowboys, Chargers) create an environment that is conducive to rookie development. Some teams completely lack the ability to develop a young player - for whatever multitude of reasons there might be.
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dude not trying to be a dick. but you can do that for any bust.

there wouldnt be a draft if everyone knew who was going to be good/bad.
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Haha, I got an idea, lets look back on everything and replace every pick in previous drafts with a 'best case scenario and 'knowing what we do now' approach and see how good we can make a team!! Sounds like a reasonable thing to do....

The one pick that i think was absolutely terrible that he made was Mike Williams, I didn't like that one from the get-go. The others i could see some rational for and things just didn't pan out (scheme for Harrington was probably his fault also as he never played to his strengths). Overall, he needed someone at WR to help him out, and didn't get any help from the players. Terrible GM forsure, but lets not play the 'he could have done this and got these players!!'. That is just stupid.
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Haha, I got an idea, lets look back on everything and replace every pick in previous drafts with a 'best case scenario and 'knowing what we do now' approach and see how good we can make a team!! Sounds like a reasonable thing to do....

The one pick that i think was absolutely terrible that he made was Mike Williams, I didn't like that one from the get-go. The others i could see some rational for and things just didn't pan out (scheme for Harrington was probably his fault also as he never played to his strengths). Overall, he needed someone at WR to help him out, and didn't get any help from the players. Terrible GM forsure, but lets not play the 'he could have done this and got these players!!'. That is just stupid.
Not to mention the fact that if they had made those picks, they wouldn't have been in the high position to take the next guys anyways.
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